Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Emergency Intercom Failures Explained?


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A PR stunt aimed to make riders feel safer may have inadvertently made riding Metro more dangerous, according to two Metro sources.

We already know that bellying the 1000-series cars in the wake of the Red Line crash was for show. Putting them in the middle of trains does nothing to increase safety as anyone with simple understanding of physics would know. Those cars are apt to accordion on impact no matter where they are in the train.

But there was an unanticipated problem with mixing 1000-series cars in with the others.

Apparently, the emergency intercoms of the 1000s don't work well in mixed trains said two Metro sources. Specifically, from the 1000 car back, in many cases, there is often no ability to communicate with the operator via the emergency intercom because of an incompatibility glitch.

For example, in a 6000-6000-1000-1000-3000-3000-5000-5000 train, riders in the last four cars might not be able to communicate with the operator because of the glitch.

Both sources said the issue is sporadic, noting the intercoms don't fail every time, but they also added that the problem is widespread. They both confirmed Metro management has known about the problem for over a year, but nothing has been done to fix the issue.

Maybe this explains why there have been so many complaints from riders about not being able to contact the train operator in emergencies.

Comforting.

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i do not know of any PA issues with the mixed consists. the led signs are not due to mixed consists. they are due to wayside issues. but i agree that all consists should be like series. or if nothing else breda with breda. but this not feasible. there will never be enough of each type of car to make all consists like consists. and the time required to move all the trains to match up cars around the rail yard is not possible.
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former employee · 707 weeks ago

I used to work the midnight shift doing nothing but DST (Daily Saftey Test) I ofen would find the overspeed alarm not working because the Operator would punched a hole in the speaker to keep from hearing the overspeed alarm--a saftety indicator. I would reported it to superviosr and was just told to replace it. There was not an investigation of "who done it" The passenger PA system is not check during DST but should be checked during 30 day inspection.

Metro Engineers is suppose to make sure all new cars are compatiable with current ones before they accept them. I think Metro would be wise to hire a consulatant for this one. Instead they think hiring a former GM as a consultant to get advice of how to make Metro run smoothly makes better sense. Go figure
I find it hard to believe that the Train Operator would be much help in the event of an emergency, anyway.
1 reply · active 707 weeks ago
Train operators can at least communicate with people outside of the train. You think that is no help?
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Nearly ExMetro · 707 weeks ago

From my experience, this happens pretty much all the time. Those cars should not be bellied--they really should not even be used.
I've used the emergency intercom twice in the past 5 years. Neither time was my call answered.
Heads should roll. Really.
1 reply · active 707 weeks ago
...but our eyes roll instead.
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Anony Mouse · 707 weeks ago

Wow. Just...wow. There are so many things wrong with Metro, but this seems so much more completely and utterly negligent than even a sleeping station manager. Is someone going to have to die (again!) for Metro to effing get it?!!
2 replies · active 707 weeks ago
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Another Anon · 707 weeks ago

Sadly, yes. There's no accountability at WMATA.
At my old job, they debated putting in fake security cameras in the parking garage as a crime deterrant. They didn't put them in because the liability would have been too great- someone thinks they have security and a means of communicating distress when they actually don't. Seems to me the same would apply here. Having emergency communications buttons that lull people into thinking they have a way to communicate with the train operator when Metro is fully aware are not working seems like a huge liability. Hope the mainstream media picks up on this.
3 replies · active 707 weeks ago
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UnSuck Fan · 707 weeks ago

Serious and honest question without any snarkiness:

What exactly are people hoping for when the mainstream media picks up on things like this?  I mean it's good for people who don't know about this website.  Personally, I gave up on the mainstream media for WMATA information and get all of my WMATA information here at UnSuck's website.  When the mainstream media gets around to whatever WMATA topic people feel the media needs to address, I find it to be a little too late.
Agreed that Unsuck is generally a better source of WMATA information than the mainstream media, but I would have to imagine that--as good as it is--it still doesn't get the viewership of television and radio media. When these stories are picked up in the mainstream media, it at least heightens awareness, and I suppose the hope is that eventually that awareness would reach a tipping point where enough people (and people who wield some power) would demand that something be done and actually see some results. Naive perhaps, but it certainly can't hurt.
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UnSuck Fan · 707 weeks ago

No, it's not naïve; just hopeful.  I was just wondering and had expressed my thoughts about mainstream media because some things were addressed, but then quite a few things just flat out "fizzled out". Clearly mainstream media cannot devote itself to WMATA issues the way UnSuck can since it's his only focus on this website, but wasn't there some discussion about Barbara Mikulski involved?  Was that just a vague suggestion?  What about the coverage of parking vest permits at stations?  One day of exposure and then nothing.  Again, I get that mainstream media has way more news and events to cover, but no follow up stories?

It seemed to me that Fox5 seemed to remind people of their e-mail addressed specifically designated for Metro problems, but it seems like either little is covered, or it's about the non-working escalators again.
Three weeks ago, I was in a car with someone acting very suspiciously. I hit the emergency call box and heard nothing. I tried again. Nothing. I tried again. Nothing.

Thankfully, the train pulled into the next stop, and I got off.

I wrote to Metro about, but didn't even get a canned reply.
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Word Wrestle Stessel · 707 weeks ago

I am so glad to have the opportunity to respond. We haven't had our All-Hands Brainstorming PR Synergistic Best Practices Monday Morning Bagel Forum in a while, since we have been on vacation all summer. So refreshing. We had an Abbreviated Tuesday Morning Fast-Talking Catch Phrase Donut Symposium instead.

First, this is a tremendous concern and it has been plaguing our thoughts all summer (while we were on vacation). What we at Metro propose to do is calculate the failure time of the intercoms, based on a complex formula of where the 1000 trains fall in any given series of trains. After an exhaustive study by some outrageously paid consultants, we will take these failure times, and set our goals to 10% BELOW that, so that we always exceed your expectations! Similar to our Rail On Time Performance Goal, we will just keep shaving the goals down until we have exceeded every one! And you, dear riders, will benefit from a Metro that Opens Doors and Exceeds Expectations. You're welcome!
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Word Wrestle Stessel · 707 weeks ago

I also take exception to the phrase "PR Stunt". This implies that we are amateurs. We are obviously the Cirque du Soleil* of PR spinning. In our Bagel Forum, the bellying of the 1000 trains is also known as "The Synchronized Trapeze".

*The term "Cirque du Soleil" is a trademark of Cirque du Soleil, Inc. Metro is not affiliated with Cirque du Soleil even though the fantastic tangles you encounter on your commute will amaze and awe you. All that in the price of your fare! You're welcome!
What Metro should also add to this story is that the buttons don't work half the time even without the added problem of the 1000s.

This has been brought to their attention again and again. I think the inaction is because they don't know how to fix the problem.
7 replies · active 707 weeks ago
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former employee · 707 weeks ago

Do you think that perhaps the Operators don't want to be disturbed. I know from working midnight shift doing DST, I would occassion run across the overspeed alarm speaker puncture. I would not think coupling is the problem. Passengers need to get lead car and report it. THe PA system is not check daliy only during 30 day inspection---suppostly.
So the solution to trying to use the intercom and not getting a response is not to use the intercom? Why does that sound like the typical metro 'solution'?

BTW, just TRY getting to the lead car from the back of the train without using the doors between the cars. Oh, and the usual dwell time at stops of course and throw in some people filling the aisles at random points. Let us know how long it took (if it worked that is, I can only get to the next car at a stop, MAYBE someone can do 2 cars but that is risking missing the train) and if that is acceptable in an emergency.
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former employee · 707 weeks ago

Having a PA unop is unsafe. I was just letting the public know that I know on occassion when I worked DSTs I would come across overspeed alarm punctured to disable the alarm from sounding. If Operators want a saftety device disable becasue they don't want to hear I am sure that would be true for the PA.
You don't need lead car # to report a problem with train or operator, you can remember any car # , time. Metro has record of consist.
i must disagree with you on this issue. as a road mechanic working on the mainline and having to communicate with the operators who know i am on the train. they will answer when i punch up the intercom, if the intercoms work!. and as stated previously, there is a major issue with the 1000's and intercoms. i see it every day. the problem exists and management has been told countless times.
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Pissed Off · 707 weeks ago

What really irritates me the most about this is that Metro is completely silent on the whole topic.

Is it true? Seems like Metro would want to correct the record if it wasn't.

So I assume it's true.

So what does Metro have to say about what they're doing about it?

NADA.

Screw you Metro management for putting your customers and workers lives at risk with bullshit equipment.
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former employee · 707 weeks ago

Metro runs the system on a wing and a prayer. The mgmt is aware of many problems but do nothing---or choose to do nothing it is easier that way. I wonder how much money Metro would pay someone to manage if they knew what they were doing...and cared about doing thier job. The Board does not have a clue. THey have their pow wows with upper mgmt that give them nothing but BS and Board eats it right up. Worthless.
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former employee · 707 weeks ago

Not a debate with coupling trains..but it seems that most of the problems comes from on board computers not compatiable with propulsion and braking... Often times I observed coupling on different series of cars and the battery pins were burnt to hell and back but communication was op's..I would say.. the most common problem with intercom is age, perhaps deliberate damage to speaker. PA system are not inculded in the Daily Saftey Test
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hrh king friday 13 · 707 weeks ago

You want this fixed? Require WMATA board members and thier immeidate families to commute on Metro daily.
1 reply · active 707 weeks ago

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