Friday, December 7, 2012

'Lack of Confidence in the Equipment and People'

A very reliable Metro source calls Metro's reasoning for extending the Silver Line from Stadium Armory to Largo "total bullsh*t."

Metro gave three basic reasons why the Silver Line has to be extended rather than turning around at the D&G junction (Stadium Armory) as originally planned:
  • The pocket track uses #6 switches and due to an aerial construction design, #8 switches cannot be installed.
  • The entire pocket track is on an aerial structure and will require a high level of maintenance to maintain a high level of operational performance.
  • The length of the pocket track is not adequate for reliable 8-car train operation.
Yesterday, during the board meeting, Metro's number two, Dave Kubicek said a failure at the D&G could be "catastrophic."

This all sounded rather strange to me, so I asked very reliable source about Metro's reasoning. Here's what the source said.
They turn trains there all the time. They store trains there during football games, and for large events downtown that require a lot of trains in a short period of time to alleviate crowds. They have been doing it for 30 years. The 8-car train thing is ridiculous.

If these switches are that dangerous then why are they using them at all?
Also, did they balance the maintenance costs versus the extension cost? I haven't seen anything about that.
According to another source, before Rush"+," Metro routinely turned Orange Line trains around at the D&G. The same source said Metro should have upgraded the switches there with guards (ostensibly to prevent derailments) as recommended by the NTSB after a 2007 derailment.

"There are several places Metro turns trains around that are the same length as the D&G," the source said. "They turn them around at Mt. Vernon Sq. at about the same pace they're talking about with the Silver Line, too."

In a Washington Post article, Metro officials said "turning trains [at D&G]  would require a level of precision difficult for all but the most skilled operators."

One source's reaction:
Ridiculous!

I also thought it very ironic how just last week Sarles was bragging about the new hires stepping up to the plate. Then, this week, the operators are not competent enough to pull up to a signal, key down the train and go to the opposite end, key up and go. Most people could be trained to do that in 4 hours. It's first day operator stuff.

Here is what this all comes down to. They do not trust the new operators. PERIOD.
The source went on to explain the mistrust stems from the fact that Silver Line operators will likely be the newest in Metro's fleet.

There are several reasons why, they said. First, they will likely have to report to West Falls Church, considered by many one of the worst places to work because it is far from where most operators live, and many hate working for the West Falls Church Division superintendent.

Furthermore, operators at West Falls are assigned "awful" days off, and the runs blocks (shifts) are "awful."

"A lot of runs start at 6 a.m., make one round trip, and then the operator goes off duty for 4 or 5 hours only to come back on duty around 2 p.m. and make two round trips," a source said. "No one with any seniority would pick runs like that." 

Another source said they thought the change of plans for the Silver Line was "brought about by a lack of confidence in the equipment, even the upgraded equipment, and the people. That's why it's going to be extended, and that's why it's going to cost more."

The extension could cost as much as $4.5 million to the operating costs of the new line, according to reports.

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Silver Line could be delayed because of rail yard problem (Examiner)
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No surprises here.
1 reply · active 639 weeks ago
Hey Brian- The pocket track and all employees have no problem turning a train in a pocket track. There not telling you something. I bet it has to do with something entirely different.
The excuse for why Metro can't turn trains at Stadium Armory is a total cover-your-ass move. It's not that they "can't" turn trains there (since they already do), it's that they are scared that one of their incompetent operators will cause a derailment and PR nightmare for Metro. The person who blamed a "lack of confidence" has it exactly right.

This comment from another person who knows a lot about train operations sums things up well: http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/16998/br...
I figured they wouldn't be turning trains back there because they're going to need more service from Largo-Stadium. With Blue line service dropping to like, joke levels from Franconia-Largo, they'll be adding "more" blue line service in PG county if they run Silver all the way to Largo.

The track turnaround stuff is just total BS. They don't have enough trains to provide a full level of service on the blue line. Everyone has known that the capacity issues at Rosslyn would get much worse with the silver line open: but nothing was done other than screwing Blue line customers over. Before spending untold billions on the silver line, the region should have spent untold billions on expanding core capacity so that the silver/blue/orange lines could actually WORK through downtown. Three lines between 5 different endpoints, all condensed to TWO TRACKS between Rosslyn and Stadium. I feel so sorry if you made a live/work decision based on blue line convenience in Fairfax/Alexandria.
4 replies · active 639 weeks ago
I made a live/work decision for live in Clarendon, work in Pentagon City. In the morning I take an ART bus that gets me to work pretty fast, but the bus gets caught up in the traffic leaving Pentagon City in the evening, making Metro seem more reasonable. But since Rush- I've definitely had instances of getting screwed into waiting another 12 minutes because a conversation went slightly long--never mind in the morning where the Orange will pretty reliably get you to Rosslyn just in time to see the train to Franconia pulling out of the station.
P.S. In case it wasn't clear, my decision was based on the convenient Rosslyn transfer.
I made a live decision in Crystal City and a work decision near Farragut square. Fortunately in 2010 I moved up near Van Ness to escape a skyrocketing rent.

If you live near Pentagon City or the Pentagon, well, you are royally hosed. As everyone knows there is no other option than the blue line. Well, other than walking or taking a bus.

People also claim that you can take the yellow line for the commute I described above. *BUZZ* no. While technically true you would not want to. From boarding the train at Crystal City to getting off at Farragut West it is 13 minutes on an average day. The days I accidentally got on the yellow I always knew it would be a bad day: not only do you have a transfer but the time increases beyond 20 minutes.
If the D&G junction is too short for 8-car operation, Grosvenor, Mt. Vernon, and Silver Spring, shouldn't see 8-car trains. Yet, they do. The pocket track outside of Stadium Armory is the same length as other, normal, turn back locations.

Interestingly enough, this summer two 8-car trains fouled the switch in the pocket track at Grosvenor (a week apart) because the operator went too far as they pulled into the pocket.
http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/board_of_directo...

8-car trains running the short turn Grosvenor-Silver Spring have continued since the incident.
1 reply · active 639 weeks ago
Bull__it! Trains are turned for baseball games all the time and there is not problem.
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hrh king friday 13 · 640 weeks ago

New Poll: 80% of Metro riders are happy to die in a train wreck.
3 replies · active 640 weeks ago
I think you mean ... 80% of Metro riders are likely to die in a train wreck due to driver incompetence or lack of a 'culture of safety.'
That number is a clear improvement from last year, when only 75% of Metro riders were likely to die in a train wreck! Momentum!
We think so to and the numbers show in the latest ridership and performance polls.

- Dan Stessel.
Good grief. With that round of P.R. nonsense, I thought all I could say is that Metro is a hopelessly laughable Mickey Mouse Railroad.

Then, I realized: "You could resurrect Walt Disney; put him in charge of the existing mess; and--between the customer relations, clockwork operations, and that little touch of magic--you'd end up with the Happiest Transit System on Earth."
It's a train. It's not like they need to execute a precision three point and back into a parallel parking space. IT'S ON TRACKS. A newly licensed 16yr old could figure it out. Red means stop. Green means go. And there is a sign that says TURNBACK telling you where to stop for turnarounds. How do these people even get to work in the morning if they can't read or recognize a red light?
I guess I'm out of the loop, but I thought the Silver Line was only going to run between West Falls Church and the Western end of it (Rt. 772?). Isn't that what the current maps on the trains show?
6 replies · active 639 weeks ago
That was never going to be the plan - the tracks join just East of the W. Falls Church Station where 267 joins 66, so there is no place to turn them around until the pocket track after Stadium-Armory. The map just shows that little spur to show the development. Metro said they weren't going to show the hatched silver line through the city because it would add confusion.
"Metro said they weren't going to show the hatched silver line through the city because it would add confusion."

I remember my first trips to D.C. with family in the mid 90s. Hatched lines were marked as "Future Stations," and I could figure out from the map that a few stations and half of the Green Line weren't built yet.

P.S. I was eight.

Contrary to the idiocracy in WMATA's P.R. Department, it ain't THAT hard to read a map. In retrospect, I wish I could bring my past self to the present and pitch him to WMATA as a consultant for one of their million-dollar studies to demonstrate that the ridership isn't as stupid as they like to think.
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Ratatat-tat · 640 weeks ago

I guess the "vision" in my head was that the trains for the Silver Line would be seperate from the rest of the system. West Falls Church would be a transfer station and we would have to leave the Orange Line and transfer over to the Silver Line, and vice-versa. I didn't realize the trains would run on the same line until the Silver branches off towards Dulles and beyond. Guess not! On a side note: Metro sure likes re-making maps!
there are many other locations to turn trains. I think this is another way to squeeze more money out of tax payers.
U can turn a train by reversing ends on the platform or in the yard where there are stored. Really.
it runs all the way through downtown DC ... overlapping with blue and orange
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Dr Gridlock · 640 weeks ago

I asked Dan Stessel about it, and he said you guys got it all wrong!
Tysons (and eventually Ashburn) to Largo is going to be a LONG commute for those operators.

I think the real problem is the number of trains needed there is far larger than the amount of trains needed for the short turn runs at Grosvenor-Strathmore (Red line) and Mt. Vernon Sq (Yellow line). That could result in delays and significant maintenance costs to maintain that pocket track.
1 reply · active 640 weeks ago
It's a long commute, but they can be like Metro bus drivers, and sleep on the job!
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Transport- · 640 weeks ago

I feel that the newfound/sudden concern with safety at the D&G pocket track is a cover for someone at WMATA just now realizing another reason for needing to extend Silver Line service to Largo: there will be even less Blue Line service and they need to keep the headways between Benning Road and Largo Town Center stations at the six minute threshold, recently adopted by the WMATA Board as a peak service minimum (except at Arlington Cemetery Station).

When Blue Line service is further reduced to 12 minute headways at all weekday times and Rush+ goes away on the Orange Line, there would be headways too wide to meet WMATA's rush hour standards (except at Arlington Cem). Yellow Line Rush+ will still keep the Van Dorn Street and Franconia-Springfield stations covered with trains at least every six minutes -- they will just see more Yellow Line trains during peak service. Without the extended Silver service, and with the loss of Orange Line Rush+, there would be insufficient service east of Benning Road Station toward Largo.

I'm not sure why WMATA just doesn't come out and say this. Perhaps because they don't want Virginia and the Washington pols to argue about too much service off-peak (both Blue and Silver combined every 12 minutes each) service the line east of Benning Road Station-- who would pay for that special off-peak service... If I recall right, didn't the District pay for the extended Yellow Line service between Mt. Vernon Square and Ft. Totten -- a benefit mostly to Washington vs. that cost being absorbed into the overall compact-wide rail operating budget?
1 reply · active 639 weeks ago
Lol, you said "standards".
Transport you are exactly right. Metro is not proactive and the execs have not planned for anything important like the costs for rail up keep and planning for the future.
Still confused about turning around trains. When a train arrives at Shady Grove and is meant to remain in service, it doesn't proceed past the platform, make a big loop, and come out on the other side of the platform. The operators are simply switched, with the new one entering the train's last (now first) car, and off it goes.

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