A very reliable Metro source calls Metro's reasoning for extending the Silver Line from Stadium Armory to Largo "total bullsh*t."
Metro gave three basic reasons why the Silver Line has to be extended rather than turning around at the D&G junction (Stadium Armory) as originally planned:
This all sounded rather strange to me, so I asked very reliable source about Metro's reasoning. Here's what the source said.
"There are several places Metro turns trains around that are the same length as the D&G," the source said. "They turn them around at Mt. Vernon Sq. at about the same pace they're talking about with the Silver Line, too."
In a Washington Post article, Metro officials said "turning trains [at D&G] would require a level of precision difficult for all but the most skilled operators."
One source's reaction:
There are several reasons why, they said. First, they will likely have to report to West Falls Church, considered by many one of the worst places to work because it is far from where most operators live, and many hate working for the West Falls Church Division superintendent.
Furthermore, operators at West Falls are assigned "awful" days off, and the runs blocks (shifts) are "awful."
"A lot of runs start at 6 a.m., make one round trip, and then the operator goes off duty for 4 or 5 hours only to come back on duty around 2 p.m. and make two round trips," a source said. "No one with any seniority would pick runs like that."
Another source said they thought the change of plans for the Silver Line was "brought about by a lack of confidence in the equipment, even the upgraded equipment, and the people. That's why it's going to be extended, and that's why it's going to cost more."
The extension could cost as much as $4.5 million to the operating costs of the new line, according to reports.
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Metro gave three basic reasons why the Silver Line has to be extended rather than turning around at the D&G junction (Stadium Armory) as originally planned:
- The pocket track uses #6 switches and due to an aerial construction design, #8 switches cannot be installed.
- The entire pocket track is on an aerial structure and will require a high level of maintenance to maintain a high level of operational performance.
- The length of the pocket track is not adequate for reliable 8-car train operation.
This all sounded rather strange to me, so I asked very reliable source about Metro's reasoning. Here's what the source said.
They turn trains there all the time. They store trains there during football games, and for large events downtown that require a lot of trains in a short period of time to alleviate crowds. They have been doing it for 30 years. The 8-car train thing is ridiculous.
If these switches are that dangerous then why are they using them at all?
Also, did they balance the maintenance costs versus the extension cost? I haven't seen anything about that.According to another source, before Rush"+," Metro routinely turned Orange Line trains around at the D&G. The same source said Metro should have upgraded the switches there with guards (ostensibly to prevent derailments) as recommended by the NTSB after a 2007 derailment.
"There are several places Metro turns trains around that are the same length as the D&G," the source said. "They turn them around at Mt. Vernon Sq. at about the same pace they're talking about with the Silver Line, too."
In a Washington Post article, Metro officials said "turning trains [at D&G] would require a level of precision difficult for all but the most skilled operators."
One source's reaction:
Ridiculous!The source went on to explain the mistrust stems from the fact that Silver Line operators will likely be the newest in Metro's fleet.
I also thought it very ironic how just last week Sarles was bragging about the new hires stepping up to the plate. Then, this week, the operators are not competent enough to pull up to a signal, key down the train and go to the opposite end, key up and go. Most people could be trained to do that in 4 hours. It's first day operator stuff.
Here is what this all comes down to. They do not trust the new operators. PERIOD.
There are several reasons why, they said. First, they will likely have to report to West Falls Church, considered by many one of the worst places to work because it is far from where most operators live, and many hate working for the West Falls Church Division superintendent.
Furthermore, operators at West Falls are assigned "awful" days off, and the runs blocks (shifts) are "awful."
"A lot of runs start at 6 a.m., make one round trip, and then the operator goes off duty for 4 or 5 hours only to come back on duty around 2 p.m. and make two round trips," a source said. "No one with any seniority would pick runs like that."
Another source said they thought the change of plans for the Silver Line was "brought about by a lack of confidence in the equipment, even the upgraded equipment, and the people. That's why it's going to be extended, and that's why it's going to cost more."
The extension could cost as much as $4.5 million to the operating costs of the new line, according to reports.
Other items:
Silver Line could be delayed because of rail yard problem (Examiner)
Another brake part falls off moving train (Examiner)
BrianKal · 640 weeks ago
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transitizen 78p · 640 weeks ago
This comment from another person who knows a lot about train operations sums things up well: http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/16998/br...
Steve · 640 weeks ago
The track turnaround stuff is just total BS. They don't have enough trains to provide a full level of service on the blue line. Everyone has known that the capacity issues at Rosslyn would get much worse with the silver line open: but nothing was done other than screwing Blue line customers over. Before spending untold billions on the silver line, the region should have spent untold billions on expanding core capacity so that the silver/blue/orange lines could actually WORK through downtown. Three lines between 5 different endpoints, all condensed to TWO TRACKS between Rosslyn and Stadium. I feel so sorry if you made a live/work decision based on blue line convenience in Fairfax/Alexandria.
Jason · 640 weeks ago
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Kara · 640 weeks ago
If you live near Pentagon City or the Pentagon, well, you are royally hosed. As everyone knows there is no other option than the blue line. Well, other than walking or taking a bus.
People also claim that you can take the yellow line for the commute I described above. *BUZZ* no. While technically true you would not want to. From boarding the train at Crystal City to getting off at Farragut West it is 13 minutes on an average day. The days I accidentally got on the yellow I always knew it would be a bad day: not only do you have a transfer but the time increases beyond 20 minutes.
@VeggieTart · 639 weeks ago
And I've heard nightmares about the Rosslyn tunnel, but the Stadium Armory tunnel on the other end must be equally awful and probably will be with three lines trying to squeeze trains through.
Mainland · 640 weeks ago
Interestingly enough, this summer two 8-car trains fouled the switch in the pocket track at Grosvenor (a week apart) because the operator went too far as they pulled into the pocket.
http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/board_of_directo...
8-car trains running the short turn Grosvenor-Silver Spring have continued since the incident.
Anon · 639 weeks ago
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Dan · 640 weeks ago
- Dan Stessel.
M-Z · 640 weeks ago
Then, I realized: "You could resurrect Walt Disney; put him in charge of the existing mess; and--between the customer relations, clockwork operations, and that little touch of magic--you'd end up with the Happiest Transit System on Earth."
Joe · 640 weeks ago
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M-Z · 640 weeks ago
I remember my first trips to D.C. with family in the mid 90s. Hatched lines were marked as "Future Stations," and I could figure out from the map that a few stations and half of the Green Line weren't built yet.
P.S. I was eight.
Contrary to the idiocracy in WMATA's P.R. Department, it ain't THAT hard to read a map. In retrospect, I wish I could bring my past self to the present and pitch him to WMATA as a consultant for one of their million-dollar studies to demonstrate that the ridership isn't as stupid as they like to think.
Ratatat-tat · 640 weeks ago
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AB27 · 640 weeks ago
I think the real problem is the number of trains needed there is far larger than the amount of trains needed for the short turn runs at Grosvenor-Strathmore (Red line) and Mt. Vernon Sq (Yellow line). That could result in delays and significant maintenance costs to maintain that pocket track.
DCer · 640 weeks ago
Transport- · 640 weeks ago
When Blue Line service is further reduced to 12 minute headways at all weekday times and Rush+ goes away on the Orange Line, there would be headways too wide to meet WMATA's rush hour standards (except at Arlington Cem). Yellow Line Rush+ will still keep the Van Dorn Street and Franconia-Springfield stations covered with trains at least every six minutes -- they will just see more Yellow Line trains during peak service. Without the extended Silver service, and with the loss of Orange Line Rush+, there would be insufficient service east of Benning Road Station toward Largo.
I'm not sure why WMATA just doesn't come out and say this. Perhaps because they don't want Virginia and the Washington pols to argue about too much service off-peak (both Blue and Silver combined every 12 minutes each) service the line east of Benning Road Station-- who would pay for that special off-peak service... If I recall right, didn't the District pay for the extended Yellow Line service between Mt. Vernon Square and Ft. Totten -- a benefit mostly to Washington vs. that cost being absorbed into the overall compact-wide rail operating budget?
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