Tuesday, March 15, 2011

Metro Continues to Hide Ultraviolence Problem


An anonymous tipster alleges they saw someone get "sucker punched" at, of course, L'Enfant Plaza Sunday afternoon around 5.

The tipster said a group of four "kids" walked by a waiting train, and two of them punched a man standing in the train by the doors. The punches knocked the man down.

The assailants then ran a bit down the platform.

The tipster said that as the train pulled away, they saw the victim, still dazed, struggle to get up off the floor, obviously struggling to understand what had happened.

The kids, who joined up with more of their droogs, stayed in the station, laughing as if the whole things was funny, the tipster said.

There were no Metro officials around, the tipster said, and none to be found after a quick search of the station.

Finally, the tipster, who was with their fiancee, gave up and got on a train. Upon arriving at U Street, they were able to find three Metro cops "relaxing in the Metro booth."

When the tipster informed the cops about what they'd seen, "they acted like they couldn't have cared less," and it "seemed almost as if I wasn't even there."

Sadly, a story about blasé Metro employees doesn't raise eyebrows any more, until you find out there's a little more to this one.

According to Metro, at around 4:30 p.m., there was a "gun incident" at L'Enfant involving more than one perp. During the incident, an arrest was made, Metro said.

We asked Metro for details, but they wouldn't say, despite repeated attempts to get them to cough up something.

Nada.

Really, it's better you don't know, right?

It's starting to seem, as the tipster said, "we're on our own down there."

Real horror show like.

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OK. At this point Metro just needs to open up a police kiosk at L'Enfant and have a PERMANENT presence there. This is ridiculous.
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VeggieTart · 732 weeks ago

They need to have a presence THROUGHOUT the system. That would do far more to deter crime (and terrorism) than all the random bag checks in the world.
I agree that they need to have a system-wide presence; however, Guest's suggestion is a great one. Put a substation inside the Rosslyn, Gallery Place, and L'Enfant Plaza stations. Staff it with 1-2 officers at all times while the system is open (maybe cut back on hours that are low crime times, like mid-morning during the week when school is in session).

This would serve several purposes: it provides a permanent police presence at the stations with higher crime which should cut back on the number of crimes at those stations. It would provide a booking location for times when people are apprehended (look at the recent Guardian Angel issue where the guy had to detain someone for 20 minutes until an officer came to take the suspects away). And it would provide a hub that police can respond to calls from. If there is a report of a robbery on an orange line train at Foggy Bottom, having a substation at Rosslyn would be ideal for an officer to board the appropriate train.

I guess I just don't see how doing this would be any *worse* than what we have now. It might not be ideal and solve 100% of the problems, but it would certainly be better.
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Ted Williams · 732 weeks ago

Gallery Place, L'Enfant Plaza -- absolutely.

But Rosslyn?
Not because of crime within the station, but I included it for the ability to improve response times to other areas in VA. It is a good hub for responding to crime along the Orange or Blue lines in VA. Other than Pentagon, I don't think there is a better place in VA to use as a centralized substation.
You're exactly right; although there aren't as many crimes at Rosslyn as many of the DC stations, they could benefit from having officers stationed there. When I had to wait on the Franconia train at Rosslyn during my commute, there were terrible crowds (mostly snooty types who think they deserve to board the train prior to everyone else) and people literally PUSHING others onto crowded trains. Fortunately, I got another job and don't have to deal w/it anymore but I was always shocked that someone didn't go ballistic; it was too out of control for words most days. One day the wrong person will get pushed and there'll likely be a fight on the platform. With so many Metro commuters during rush hour combined with large number of bus routes dropping off at Rosslyn, they should have police there. Hopefully, making the new transfer station will make Rosslyn better but when I had to go there every day it was down right scary.
The random bag checks make us less safe. Now these little black teenage terrorists know that people will be afraid to carry pepper spray and weapons to defend themselves. Good job metro-way to cause a crime spike.
They need to just get rid of all those worthless "Station Managers" and hire more police.
I say replace each Station Manager with a police officer. That way, no one would think to jump the gate, when an emergency goes down the officers will be more qualified to deal with it, and when a crime is commited they will be right there to deal with it. Why not? Station Managers make around the same money as police officers and they do way less.
Start carrying your own guns on Metro. Police ourselves.
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Is it time for a Bernard Goetz incident on the DC Metro system?
might make those thugs a bit more cautious about sucker punching someone in the face.
Anon coward.

Bernard Goetz was justified in his actions in 1984 (btw thanks for bringing up a case that almost 30 years old, no other useable references eh?). The fact that he was cleared on ALL counts except the firearm possession would tell you that.

Also, yes I would like to see an incident like that if it's a justified use of force. The police have shown they arent' reliable people to rely on for protection (lol), protect YOURSELF because nobody else will.
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LetsBeReal · 732 weeks ago

I don't think "anony" (who you call a coward) was saying yes or no...in fact, he probably agrees with you.

And you're wrong. Still after 30 years, there is no more famous case of subway vigilantism than Bernard Goetz, regardless of which side you are on.
That was my point. There is no other reference material for the guy to use, so he pulls an incident from 30 years. Forget the FACTS of the case, forget that he was cleared on all murder charges (only charged for the weapon possession), insert into a comment you make to push your (completely UNSUPPORTED AND INCORRECT) point. That's called shitty writing. Let's be real, for real: Learn to read lol
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aoneymous · 732 weeks ago

Guess the cops thought they'd rid L'Enfant of crime for good and it was time for a relaxin' powow at another station.
These "kids" have been doing this crap for years. Metro is very blase about it which is insane. These are thugs who run around with impunity and no one does anything . Disgusts me. They should have officers at these stations AT THE PLATFORM LEVEL during the times these kids run rampant which is about 2:45 pm to rush hour.
Maybe they should start playing some Beethoven in and around the Metro stops...
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Orange Line Rider · 732 weeks ago

Oh you mischievous DC hoodrats. I don't go as far as L'Enfant; otherwise I would LOVE to catch one of these thugs in the act and give them a taste of their own medicine.
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hrh king friday 13 · 732 weeks ago

What were the officer's names and badge numbers? Doesn't the tiptster have a camera phone?? I don't understand how people can tap out an lengthy email when they get home but not have the sense to doccument these police officers after the spent a good half hour searching for them in the station.

I heard that the Gaurdian Angels were gonna start being down there-- any truth to that? What about the police dogs we were promised for patrols (not the bomb sniffing dogs for bag searches, we all know about the bag searches my friends, that's not what we were promised and that's not what I'm talking about so don't reply to my comment that they're being used for bag searches... christ).
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According to the DCist, a Guardian Angel has been attacked (punched in the face) from trying to help out some people that were being targeted.
http://dcist.com/2011/03/guardian_angel_attacked_...
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hrh king friday 13 · 732 weeks ago

OMG! Thank you for filling me in.

We're so screwed. Seriously, get some dogs down there and those kids WILL not stay. I walk my full-grown ankle biters in Southwest and those kids will literally cross the street through traffic to avoid them.
Yeah the blame def needs to be placed on the tipster. He should have recorded the conversation he had with the police. And what a lazy ass for simply tapping out an email when they got home.

In case you can't tell I'm being a little sarcastic.

I understand we all have a responsibility but redirecting the blame to the people who actually took some action is wrong.
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hrh king friday 13 · 732 weeks ago

No, you're right, I don't mean to shift blame to the tipster. Just frustrated that given the huge watchdog opportunity this blog presents, we UnSuck readers aren't puting as much sunlight on Metro officers as possible.

Then again, if you pull out your iPhone to snap a pic of these aholes, in all likelihood it'll get snatched.
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Frustr8dCommuter · 732 weeks ago

Here's an idea, first offense, banned for 6 months, next offense one year, third offense, banned for LIFE.

Public humiliation. Every station entrance, have a poster of all the arrested punks, these dregs are not allowed on Metro. Then have a brief description. We have wanted posters at the Post Office.
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This could only lead to racial profiling.
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Orange Line Rider · 732 weeks ago

Why? Only people perpetrating crimes would lose riding privlidges, police would not ban people they think COULD perpetrate crimes.
And ones who happen to look like them (see poster, above).

Why do you hate brown people?
Because according to Jackie Jeter-I BELIEVE IN SLAVERY!!!!

Seriously look who commits the crimes.
Oh please...just because most of the teens causing trouble on the Metro are African American, that means acknowledging that fact is profiling?
The idea was to make a poster of their mugshots. You acknowledge what that poster would look like, but not its obvious consequences: "Hey, you look like #7, hands where I can see 'em!"
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One take · 732 weeks ago

African American teens are committing the majority of crimes of this nature of the Washington DC Metro; specifically crimes of random assault, battery and theft. This does not equate racial profiling and racism; this equates reality.
Then again, one reason for the rise of onboard crime could possibly be attributed to that fact that metro staff and transit police are busy profiling middle aged balding Caucasian businessmen. Hark, I once saw a white soccer mom looking pretty threatening once – she was armed with a blackberry, caramel macchiato and twin toddlers. I am surprised that she too was not featured in the latest WMATA training video.
While abroad one can see that within the public transportation systems of for example, Paris, London, New Delhi, Jakarta, and/or Berlin, African American teens are not committing the majority of random assaults, battery and theft. In Washington DC, they are; simple and plain. So profiling the specific criminals who happen to be black teens because they are the ones committing most of these crimes is not racial or racist. Furthermore, it could save lives. Sadly, it doesn’t appear that Metro Staff and/or Transit Police have caught on to this quite yet.
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hahaokigetit · 732 weeks ago

African-americans do not exist abroad, unless you're talking about fellow tourists/ex-pats.

"Why does this country have do many foreigners?!"
Jokes? I like jokes!
If it's that or not seeing another innocent person get their faced bashed in, I'll choose seeing another innocent person not getting their face bashed in.
Theres not enough space on the walls.
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Ever Onward · 732 weeks ago

I heard the Angels did have an altercation within the past day or two and nailed the troublemakin' teens for the cops. Go GA's!

This does makes me wonder. Are the cops afraid to confront these bullies? Hiding behind an I-don't-care attitude?
Was this on the lower level platform- it seems this area is regularly unattended and not-safe-feeling.
the cops that i see (saw two on the inbound orange line from New C this am) They just stand in the front car (by the driver) and are just shooting the sh*t, or twiddling away on their phones... the morning commute is somewhat quiet, evening can be as well.. but why aren't these cops moving from car to car to display some sort of presence... blase is correct.

Back in the early 90's when i was in HS, the metro cops were super vigilant and aggressive... what happened to that strategy? fights equaled handcuffs, perhaps a hit with a billy club :-), eating equaled ticket, horseplay equaled stern talking too...

L'Enfant and Gallery Place, probably Metro Center as well need to have manned cops on both levels at all times. I see metro cops outside at these stations CHILLING, but they need to be in the guts.
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Ever Onward · 732 weeks ago

I've seen that on the Orange line too, JoeyB. Many times and recently. Usually 4 of them standing by the doors, in the way, chatting up a storm and ignoring everyone around them - including the fact they are blocking the doors. Must be off duty, huh?

Shame. Used to be on Metro I'd see those uniforms and feel safer. Now, they are just another irritating body in the doorway slowing everyone down.
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MadAsHeck · 732 weeks ago

Hey Unsuck, I have an idea for you:

Could you post a poll on this site for riders to indicate the last time they have seen:
(a) metro police walking through trains
(b) metro police walking through platforms
(c) metro police standing outside exit gates
(d) metro police hanging out in the booth talking

And which station you saw the police at?

Seems unless we can document that they're not doing any real police work, nothing will change.
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The problem is that people who would give a positive response would be ridiculed, called a shill, or given many, many thumbs down.

To answer your question, I haven't seen a Metro transit police officer walking through a train in many months, but I saw 4 at L'Enfant Plaza (green/yellow platform) yesterday and I saw 1 at Franconia-Springfield this morning hanging around the fare gates but visually surveying most of the mezzanine area. And honestly, I have never seen Metro police hanging out in the booth.
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MetroRyder · 732 weeks ago

Since all the attacks started happening I have seen more metro cops on platforms and in the trains. I see them about every other week. The problem is am I noticing them more because of reports of violence or because they are patrolling more?
(a) can't remember, (b) last week at Meto Center during evening rush upper red line platform, (c) today during evening rush at Rhode Island Ave., they were facing the gates and appeared to be paying some attention, though there were 3 of them + the station manager talking while they were watching (would suck if you were inside and your card didn't work, since the station manager was at least 20 feet beyond the gate), (d) this morning at Rhode Island Ave.

I see the police all the time...how much good they're doing is questionable. Surely, this evening, they stopped at least a few fare jumpers. When I have seen rowdy/law-breaking teens on trains and platforms...not a cop in sight or to be found if you choose to report. I saw the aftermath of a fight at Columbia Heights a few weeks ago, and while the police did have two girls in handcuffs, there was enough blood on the ground from the badly beaten girl (not in handcuffs, sitting, crying WITH A BABY IN TOW) that it was obvious the fight went on for a while.
Well, as long as the cops are up there making sure everyone pays at the turnstile for their chance to be assaulted....
Outfit the transit cops with riot gear and a pack of 10 kids isn't a problem.
Thanks for this post. I work near the L'Enfant Plaza station and following the recent videotaped assault of another man there, I went to talk to the station manager in person and was informed that because of liability issues, Metro personnel cannot intervene when a criminal incident of that sort occurs. They may call Metro police for assistance, but other than that, it appears that victims of assaults and other crimes are pretty much on their own. When I asked where the police were on the weekend that the assault of the man occurred, I wasn’t given a comprehensive answer. At this rate, a tragedy of some sort is bound to occur, and there appears to be little effort to prevent it (for what reason, I don’t know).

Thank you to the person who posted the story about the Guardian Angel who was assaulted over the weekend. I wasn't aware of that incident, and I’m very glad someone was there to assist those women. What a frightening situation for all involved.
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MadAsHeck · 732 weeks ago

OK, time for a little math:

Start with 86 Metro stations
Say $100,000 for a police officer with benefits
Say 3 officers needed per station per day, to account for morning/afternoon/evening shifts. (Yes, I know there's vacation and weekends to take into account, but trying to keep it simple for me)

That comes out to $25,800,000 per year, or $70,685 per day.
Per Wikipedia, 727,684 average riders per day. Divide $70,685 by 727,684, and you get $0.10. Ten cents. For each of us to pay an additional ten cents per ride, we could have a full time police officer in every station.

Would you pay ten cents extra per ride for that? (another poll idea for Unsuck)
I know that I would.
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Of course if they implemented it metro would later scale back the number of officers and keep the money. It has to be a 'you can use it for this and only this' fare increase somehow so metro can not be tempted to use it for whatever.
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SheensKorner · 732 weeks ago

I like that you're being proactive, but paying 10 extra cents on the assumption that 1 of these new or current cops will make any attempt to enforce the law would be as bad as not believing in slavery on this blog.

DC Metro cops = Eric Holder "my people" situation.

Perhaps some money should go to the Guardian Angels. They seem to be more effective when it comes to handling the small time ruckus's on the platforms than the DC Metro Cops. A major #duh, winning to the GA with the #tigerblood in #PGCounty.
or just have a small fraction of already employed police some of the offending stations... (we dont need 12 officers hanging around the Clarendon station watching the bar hoppers fri day night)and have local govts allocate resources to address crimes on the surface... why do metro police need to be called/diverted to an assault at a bus stop is beyond me...

matter of fact....MPD allocates ( receives reimbursement from the govt)a boat load of cops to secure streets for our president, why cant the local govts allocate a portion of their metro funding to augment or support police/security

Make Leonsis and the developers around the Gallery place pay for additional staffing of officers... the feds and developers around L'Enfant do the same.....
Metro PR officials were too busy working on that mega press release about the cherry blossoms to worry about communicating with riders about personal safety and guns in the metro.
In the past few months I have seen far more Metro cops driving around in patrol cars (now in new black and white paint scheme) than I have inside any stations. In fact, the last time I saw a Metro cop inside a station was at Navy Yard after a Nats game.
Interesting how the media calls these criminals merely "youths" or "students." Well, these youths will probably die of ODs or in knife fights or whatever. The world will continue to turn as if they never existed.
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Fearful metro rider · 732 weeks ago

The media may call them "youths"'; but some of us call them gory - gangs of roving youth - or, more often than not, gorby. Will leave open to interpretation what the b stands for.
Thanks for the tip about the kubotan-I hadn't heard of it before. But I looked it up on amazon and found a bunch. I'm thinking of the key chain one? Is that a good one to get?
Honestly, metro needs to put a police substation at everyone station or every other station even Rosslyn! Please remember that crime happens EVERY WHERE whether you know it or not! To that one ignorant person making a statement about that "black terrorist". From what I know, there are WHITE TERRORIST, SPANISH, INDIAN, ASIAN TERRORIST. People who commit crimes, comes in ALL colors!
I personally believe that crime wouldn't be so bad, if folks wouldn't stop turning closing an eye on it. If folks are in metro and see a crime happening in the act, BAND together and step forward to address it! That one person can't fight everyone!
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RAYMOND S. BURNS · 731 weeks ago

i fell down the garage steps on 4 March 2009 and have been waiting for some type of compensation. They had not treated the steps properly for ice and snow. The problem is people are still getting hurt and we have to stand in line among all the others riders that have been hurt or killed. The list keeps growing and Metro is doing nothing to compensate. I honestly don't think they care about anything other than raising fares.

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