Monday, December 19, 2011

Rider Reports what Appears to be an Armed Robbery


From Jennifer:
On Saturday night, at around 9:15 or 9:20, I boarded the Red Line toward Shady Grove. The car was sparsely populated, and at some point, at or near Ft. Totten, we all became aware of two tall, broad men wearing trench coats and ski masks.

They were dressed in black from head to toe, and all I could see was their eyes. They were black, but I don't see how anyone would be able to recognize them in a line-up.

One sat next to me, and glanced down at my shoes. I didn't return his look and looked out the window.

Within about five minutes, they walked over to two young black kids sitting at the back of the train behind partition.

One of the tall, shady-looking kids stood sentinel, and it was clear to me at this point they were up to no good, because his friend reached over and bent down and asked something of the kids sitting. I couldn't see much more beyond that due to the partition.

The tall kids in trench coats then got off at Brookland. The kids behind the glass stumbled over and informed a guy sitting across from me that they'd been mugged at gunpoint.

They said one of the muggers had leaned in, showed a gun, demanded that both kids give up their sneakers and iPhones, and instructed them not to get off at the next stop.

A good Samaritan to my left let them call their friends, and they got off at the next stop to make their way back, reportedly, to Brookland.

The good Samaritan asked the kids if they'd been followed onto the train from Silver Spring because the thugs asked them where they were from. There was some speculation the thieves followed the kids onto the train, but other than that, I can only speculate they were hit because they were sitting at the back of the train behind glass.

When I reached my destination, Dupont, I told the guy at the Metro booth what had happened, and he said "that's a damn shame" but didn't appear to do anything.

I'm not sure if the kids filed a report because they were in shock when they got off the train.

No one called the police while the thugs were there. No one took pictures, either. I don't know if they were actually carrying weapons, but no one got involved. I admit we were all scared, and when I saw the one thug standing sentinel, I knew something was going down, but I turned to look out the window to avoid eye contact.

The incident was frightening enough to make me decide to drive to Bethesda and take the Red Line in so that I can avoid taking it from Silver Spring in the future. This was absolutely ridiculous and scary.
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Orange Line Joe · 692 weeks ago

And no one bothered to call MTPD from their cell phone but you instead waited until you got off at Dupont? Seriously people, put the number in your phone and USE IT! 202-962-2121.
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DC Denizen · 692 weeks ago

+150

As soon as it's safe, use the number. All of those who will complain about poor cell reception, yes- we agree it's poor. You need to just keep trying until you get the message through. Anyone who doesn't have a cell phone (?) get off the train ASAP and ask the Station Manager to call the Transit Police. Don't just tell them what went on, move someone to action by asking if they will contact the Transit Police so that you can report an incident.
I didn't catch that at first read. Brookland, where the thugs exited, all the way to DuPont??!! By the time the police get that lookout, good luck--they're long gone! And the "good Samaritan" let the victims use his/her phone to call a friend, but the "good Samaritan" chose NOT to call police or alert the operator??!!

People, we're our own worst enemy......
Seriously. You didn't think to call the train operator immediately after they got off? Maybe the operator could have radioed MTPD to apprehend the robbers at Brookland. By the time the OP got to Dupont, they were likely long gone.
I'm not sure if it was ever implemented, but there was a time when there was talk of being able to text crime reports in to MTPD. That would be much more discreet with a car load of thugs. I wonder if it ever happened?
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DC Denizen · 692 weeks ago

Tweet it to fellow riders?
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Soylent Green Line · 692 weeks ago

Scumbag Unsuck OP:

Complains that "No one took the time to call the cops," then posts detailed description of armed robbery to local blog.
I can't believe station managers can get away with this type of crap. This has happened before, and no one was punished. Despicable. Thanks a lot Jackie Jeter...
Freekin' thugs.....People (especially women) should ride in the lead car at night. If something's amiss, the operator may see it and call police. You can't rely on the "call buttons" at the end of the cars. The rear car door is usually locked so it can't be utilized. Change cars when you can, taking note of the car number you just changed from, then contact the operator. But again, the front car is your best bet. When my wife rode, she tried to get the seat directly behind the operator--until he opened the door and made a pass at her, that is. But hey! That's expected from a Metro employee, isn't it??!!

FYI: DC Code: Wearing hoods or masks (edited):
(a) No person or persons over 16 years of age, while wearing any mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is hidden, concealed, or covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, shall:
(5) While engaged in conduct prohibited by civil or criminal law, with the intent of avoiding identification.
Just another reason to keep your electronics concealed. Hope the kid had warm socks!! And call the po-po as soon as you see the masked goons. They're already breaking the law.
2 replies · active 691 weeks ago
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KnowsAboutWMATA · 692 weeks ago

WTF does that code mean? That it's a crime to wear a hood, mask, or something to obfuscate your face when committing a civil or criminal crime? Isn't that inherently obvious? Also how would calling the police when you see a person wearing them work out until they commit a crime?
It's called a "Suspicious Person."

There's more to the code than I posted due to message length restrictions.
Don't jump on the victims. The OP told the station manager after what I'm sure was sheer terror had worn off.

Ridiculous idiots
I'd say the reason that no one bothered to call the cops immediately is because there were 2 potentially armed gunmen on the train and when the car is sparsely populated it's tough to be discreet. How exactly would you make that call? Climb under the seat and whisper that there's some sort of criminal activity going on? You're essentially trapped. I'd much rather give up my phone or shoes than worry about whether or not I'm going to get shot by immediately calling the cops.

It would be nice to see a police line that you could text, especially in a situation where talking on the phone is virtually impossible.
I think this story really highlights the need for increased MTPD presence on the actual trains. A few weeks ago, I was on a Red Line train on a Saturday night. A group of thugs got on - there were about 15 of them - and started calling these two guys (who weren't doing ANYTHING) "f*ggots" and proceeded to start beating the ever loving shit out of them.

We were all severely outnumbered by these assholes. Luckily the two guys managed to get off at Brookland and weren't followed. The thugs all got off at the next stop.

Anyway, someone called the train operator during the fight and the guy literally said that there were no officers on the train and "what did we want him to do?" I don't know - how about stopping the train at the next station and freaking calling the cops?
4 replies · active 692 weeks ago
And that's one of metro's biggest problems--a mindset carried over from years ago--stopping the trains during a crime It's difficult to catch a moving target.The people running Metro's operations center should be charged with "Obstruction of Justice" if they refuse to allow a train operator, or refuse to order a train operator, to stop and hold a train during the commission of a crime to enable the police to respond. They'll hold the train for a freekin' barfing homeless dude so he can catch a free ambulance ride to the hospital, but thet won't hold it for a "man with a gun." Idiots!
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hrh king friday 13 · 692 weeks ago

crap i meant to give this a +1 but hit the thumbs down and it locked me out. so, here, +2 to cancel out the -1 and give you a +1!
So you'd be trapping the victims and innocent bystanders in the car with gun-wielding criminals? I admit I gave your idea a +1, but after further reflection am not sure i'd want the car stopped if i was on it.
So, how else do the police catch the bad guys? If there aren't foot patrol officers along the line to intercept the train, then a patrol car will have to catch the train. Where does _that_ officer catch it if it keeps moving? And to compound the problem, Metro is reluctant to hold the train long enough at the platform to be checked out when the trains _are_ intercepted. It takes a little time to check a 6/8 or even 4 car train if it's packed with people. I understand your concerns, but if there is someone on the train illegally carring a gun, or robbing people, they need to be stopped ASAP. The longer those incidents last the more likely bad things will become of them. BTW, Metro normally keeps the doors open at stations when trains are held---just in case you're claustrophobic :)
http://live.washingtonpost.com/gridlock-1219.html

Don't forget to ask Dr. Gridlock questions!
1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
He censored my question about metro's 200K pat itself on the back survey. What a loser!
Remember, that number again is 202. blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah.
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hrh king friday 13 · 692 weeks ago

They stole thier sneakers?? Eww. Gross.
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Anonymous · 692 weeks ago

What about the people who bought and wore the stolen sneakers? Blecccch.
Are there NO cameras in those train cars???? Or at the stations?
I am glad they were not harmed but at this time of year Metro really needs to increase their presence on the train. In metro's defense they do blast it all the time. Keep your electronic items in your purse of coat pocket. The sneakers are a whole different thing.

When you're in shock as this person obviously must have been; it's hard to think clearly. Hindsight is 20/20.
Does anybody see an issue here with BROOKLAND STATION?

A couple of weeks ago, as I was walking to enter Brookland station (at 7:40-7:45PM), I noticed about 15-20 young people screaming and beating each other up on the platform. I was on the outside sidewalk near the Metro bus stops, and they were pretty loud. Two trains pulled up simultaneously, however, and I have no idea which one(s) they boarded, otherwise I would've relayed the information to the police. I haven't seen Metro Transit Police at the stop for weeks, though I do occasionally see MPD there (just outside of the station). In addition to some of the suggestions in the above comments, maybe more of a police presence is needed at the station itself.
3 replies · active 691 weeks ago
The problem with the Brookland station is that it's on the same section of track as Fort Totten, Rhode Island Avenue, and Union Station. They ALL have similar--if not worse-- issues with the juvenile delinquents that require attention of their own, and unfortunately there aren't enough police to be at all of them. Throw in Tenleytown, Minnesota Avenue, Deanwood, New Carrollton, L'Enfant Plaza, Waterfront, Anacostia, Congress Heights, Pentagon City--or any station with a shop(lifting)ing center (especially this time of year) and there's potential mayhem to be had. And the knuckleheads know that if the police are out in force at one station, they'll just move down the line before acting a fool. It's a difficult issue to control.
I sense a common denominator in each of those stations you mentioned...Go ahead and just say it. We all know it to be true.
You would be correct, but apparently it's frowned on this blog to speak the apparent.
OP - you did the right thing in reporting as best you could with the Samaritan, your safety comes first of there are no visible police nearby. No one can outrun/talk a bullet. If Dupont was the safest option, OK. Good descriptions above. You can also use the red call buttons on either end of the train (or get off that train and board another train /front car as other posters suggest and use the buttons), and agree with other posters that 202-962-2121 should be in your speed dial. All Metro stops are potential targets for thieves. File an online report at wmata.com with a copy to [rlang@wmata.com].

MTPD -send more "gators" to these stops ASAP and assign more undercover units now. Several PG County shoe stores have recently seen runs on new Nike shoes and shoving matches have occurred outside the stores when they sell out.

Also, OP, if you know who is a Neighborhood Watch member in your area, report the incident to them in detail.
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Stan Dessel · 692 weeks ago

People blaming the riders instead of a bum station manager???????

Maybe Stessel is better than we think..
Hiya folks - the car was sparsely populated (only two other people in my eyesight) and we rode in a combination of shock and terror. The good samaritan called the kids' parents, and a friend, respectively, but first he argued with the kids who were mugged and said "no one would have shot a gun in a metro".

Had I called the cops immediately, I would only have been able to corroborate the mugging, but the kids didn't call it in. I did not see the guns personally. The kids who got mugged claimed they had a gun pulled on them but it was behind glass.

I'm in no way excusing my own behavior. I've been informed by friends and family that there are alarm buttons in individual trains.

As for calling or photographing anything that transpired, the two muggers walked up and down the car. At one point one sat next to me. At another point one was two rows ahead of me. They probably paced to intimidate and in a bona-fide mugging, the first person to rise or make a commotion is the first person to get knocked around.

Thanks to all for generating a very good discussion.
Our society is full of people that want to blame everyone else but themselves. No one on the train did anything. Live with that for the Holiday Season.
2 replies · active 692 weeks ago
"No one on the train did anything."

I wonder what the "concealed carry" NRA enthusiasts would have done -- start a shootout over sneakers and iPhones?
Have you ever been a part of an armed robbery? Ever had a gun pointed at you in malice? If not, then you have no idea what you are talking about.

Big bold talk about "no one on the train did anything" is just that...talk - let's see how you react when you are in a similar situation. I hope for your sake that you never have that opportunity.
Reset, this was an armed robbery. I'm wondering if you've ever been mugged. I've survived one attempted.

I've also lived near St. Agnes in Bmore for four or five years. We could hear gun shots in the distance.

I'm glad the kids were able to make their way back to Brookland and I'm glad no one on that train tried to be a hero. If there weren't weapons, there may have been knives, and if there weren't knives, these kids were tall enough to knock someone out cold.

I think it's easy for folks to comment who weren't there. If I were commenting on a similar post, I'd be a lot more sympathetic - knowing, as an earlier poster indicated, that people can be in shock.

Happy holidays to you, too.
blah blah blah.....bet you would be pissed if these were your kids getting robbed and no one did anything to help. Everyone knows that they have said that at one time or the other. As for things that have happend to me that is none of your concern or business. I am at peace with the things I have done in my life to help people. Dial 911 next time.

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