Monday, July 19, 2010

Jersey Shore comes to Bethesda

We hear a lot about fights at Gallery Place, but according to two readers, there was very bad melee at the Bethesda Metro station early this past Sunday morning, which provided some scary moments for onlookers and a Metro operator as well as long delays for people already on the trains.

Basically, a large group of kids began shouting insults at each other. The words turned to shoves and the shoves morphed into a full-blown fight.

Here's what Metro had recorded about the incident:
Bethesda: An altercation ensued between several individuals resulting in unauthorized persons entering the right of way on track #2. Train 103 is currently holding on track #2, power is de-energized on both tracks. MTPD are on scene.

Riz writes:
This one guy got knocked down in front of me and turtled up (face down covering his body and head with his hands). The guy who knocked him down proceeded to knee him in the skull. Then, another two douches ran up and soccer kicked and stomped him in the head. It sounded like a watermelon getting hit by a sledghammer.

Anyway, the guy who got kicked in the skull rolled over and started twitching. His eyes were rolled into the back of his head. He started convulsing a bit, and finally, about four or five minutes later, someone came to help him. He tried to stand up, but couldn't because of his injuries--possibly a concussion.

The fighting continued among others.

The kid with the concussion tried to stand up and promptly fell into the tracks right as the train was coming. (The readout said it was 1 minute away.)

People started screaming. Most of the fights paused, but some douches kept fighting. The guy fell right in front of me. People were screaming at him to get back on the platform, but every time he got up, he fell over. He was too hurt to figure it out.

Someone jumped down on the tracks to pull him out

Two other bystanders and I started running toward the oncoming train on the platform. The tunnel where the train was coming from is curved, so I knew it could have been really bad. The driver could easily miss what was going on and not be able to stop in time.

I started screaming and jumping up and down yelling at him to stop trying to create a huge profile by bouncing around. The other guy with me did the same. I didn't want to get too close to the tunnel entrance because I didn't think the operator would see me in time, so I tried to stay closer to the kid on the tracks. The guy in front of me moved up a bit.

At first, the driver kept going and, for a split second, I didn't think he saw us. Then, I saw the driver get this horrified look on his face and jerk his brake lever and the train began to stop.

It stopped about 2 feet from where the injured guy and those trying to help him were.

The driver was freaking out, and I leaned in his window to tell him what happened.

The others finally pulled the hurt guy out of the tracks.

Then all hell broke loose as another three fights erupted.

Meanwhile, not a single cop had shown up yet. Not even one. Elapsed time: about 30 minutes. Finally, a Metro worker sprinted up the escalators to get the police.

Fights were still going on, and it was getting worse. Finally, I saw a cop about 45 minutes after this all started.

The train was still paused halfway on the tracks, halfway in the tunnel. Its power had been shut down, and all the passengers in the train were stuck.

The cops were yelling and telling people to sit down. Shirts were ripped, and people were walking around bleeding and yelling. Girls were trash talking like it was a night at the Jersey Shore.

Finally, about an hour into it, the track inspection was done, the train powered up and started slowly inching toward the end of the platform.

And for the perspective from the train, here's this from an anonymous reader:
I left Metro Center1:30 a.m., after a midnight movie headed toward Shady Grove on the Red Line. Upon approaching Bethesda station, a barely audible announcement was followed by the power being turned off on our train.

Apparently, there was a teen scuffle in the station and, for"safety reasons," the decision was made to cut the power and detain us.

It took several Metro police approx 45 minutes to secure the station, and for us to be let out of the dark, stuffy train.

The Bethesda police station is across Wisconsin Ave., but they did not respond.

I believe they would have handled the situation more efficiently.
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Joshua Davis · 766 weeks ago

Did anyone think to call the Bethesda/MontCo police? If they did, and they failed to show up I would think Metro Transit Police should think about signing a mutual assistance agreement with all area jurisdictions they serve.
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Will in DC · 766 weeks ago

But I thought only "ghetto" kids get into fights and that Bethesda is a "safe" metro station, not like "unsafe" metro stations with young, loud (i.e. scary) youth?
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Ghetto kids? Really now. I have known many kids from poorer neighborhoods who I'd have no problem inviting to my party. They are great people who know how to act accordingly in public.

I have also known many suburban mid-level income and higher income youths who are the nastiest things ever birthed on this planet.

ANY youth can be loud and scary.

Will rascism never die on this planet?
I thought Will in DC's comment was obviously sarcastic.
Interesting! I did not see sarcasm until you posted. Now.. I see sarcasm but it still concerns me. Some jokes just don't fly well these days. (ala Mel Gibson? shame on me.. did I just say that? ;)
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Not a savage · 766 weeks ago

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Why hasn't this been reported in the washington post or anything like that? what gives?
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It's not sexy enough, John.

Wrong folks were fighting.
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Will in DC · 766 weeks ago

It wasn't "illegals" or "ghetto" folks. Plus it's Bethesda. I wonder if it'd have been reported if it had happened at Brentwood-RI or Anacostia.
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NotAFlyOnTheWall · 766 weeks ago

My friend and I were the ones who helped the guy out of the tracks. Shortly after getting him out of the tracks we tried to aid in separating one of the guys who was being attacked by multiple people and we then were attacked as a result. My girlfriend can actually be seen in the photo above and was mentioned in the story. She's the one who is choking the guy with her legs as he and another guy were double teaming me. Sure, I'll admit she came to my rescue here, she's an awesome girl, and since no one else seemed to care that innocent bystanders who were trying to help became targets in this fight, I give her props. I can concur that the guy got kicked in the head, but the story has it a bit wrong...my friend and I ran to his assistance within 30 seconds...not 4-5 minutes. The train was more like 100 feet down the track and came to a slow stop as people ran up and notified the station manager on duty before the train hit the platform. I know this because, well I was frickin' staring at its headlight coming at me. I would be the one to exaggerate here, not some bystander. There were certain people involved in this fight that were just out to fight that night. They were up to hitting anyone and everyone that they could reach. The police didn't really do much at all. They called it a "criss-cross assault" and said everyone or no one would have to go to jail if we pursued pressing charges for assault. Pretty much a lose-lose situation. Some of the instigators continued saying very threatening comments to us. This was the same group that was friends with the guy who fell in the tracks! It was like they didn't give a shit that we just got their friend out of the tracks; they just didn't care. Then the police told us we should get on the train...the same train they were on after one of them said "I'll fucking kill you" as he walked by me! We said "No way" and took a cab home. I still don't know what started this fight nor why the people involved were so adamant on throwing punches at anyone they could. There was no justice brought to the individuals who started this fight and they know who they are. If given the chance, I'd do it all over again as we still aided a human-being in trouble in getting out of the tracks, regardless if he or his friends showed their gratitude.
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anonymous · 766 weeks ago

Amazing story. Hats off to the operator who was able to stop the train in time.
i wrote the story, + helped stop the train. if my times are not correct I'll gladly defer to your account.

I just wanted the story told. I do remember the train coming very fast but I'm sure someone came to do dudes help very fast. I was talking to you and your gf before it started on the bench if you are the same people im thinking of. apologies for the innaccuracies if there are any.

I do know that you if you jumped in the pit are the rea hero of this story.

However, you guys don't know what started it? you tried to break it up and got involved?
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NotAFlyOnTheWall · 766 weeks ago

No, we don't know what started it. After pulling the guy to safety we tried to help someone who being hit by multiple people by pulling him out of the scuffle. Unfortunately, we then became targets. Thanks for your help in waving down the train.
from reddit comments on the story I wrote:

oktoughguys 0 points1 point2 points 48 minutes ago[-]

i was in the fight..facts are off it was me and 2 others and 4 girls v atleast 8 to 12 guys..who started it by sucker punching one of us so it dropped to 2 on 8 right off break..all three of us are fine other then 8 stitches and a a broken pinkie there one guy took it the worst but if the tough 8 guys wanna match up ne day 8 on 8 then were game trust me..damascus fucks stay in ur stupid f--ing town
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If you participated in this brawl, you are just as bad as "the one(s) who started it." You show your ignorance with your language as well. What did it achieve, then or now? Nothing. You gained nothing. Next time try grabbing the injured innocent friend, pulling everyone away so there IS no brawl and then come here and post again. You might be surprised as just how awed we'd all be of your self restraint, common sense, common decency and intelligence level. And if you think this post sucks, well then you just prove the first sentence in this post don't you?

KUDOS to those who helped save someone from being hit by a train.
KUDOS to those who tried to stop violence that had no benefits to anyone.

You want a fight? Join the army and go fight! Then you'd find our hearts are with you every punch of the way.
haha Anon obviously you dont no what its like to get sucker punched and then the other two people your with try and help get the kids off you and they are all the sudden hit from everywhere. you think we wanted to brawl 10-3..u think we even wanted to fight? We wanted to go home after celebrating one of our girlfriends birthdays and were forced to fight to try and protect ourselves.. Not that we really could fight back..i landed 2 punchs i took atleast 20 to the head and was kicked and everything else. there was no pulling out of it. So you are obviously just a little ignorant fuck who doesnt no what its like when shit goes down and you cant run away or call ur mommy.
Hardly child. From reading your words I am quite confident I am at last 2 - 3 times your age with that much experience. Ever had a gun put to your head for nothing more than the change in your pocket? I have. I've also been in the middle of a nasty free-for-all as described above. It hurts no doubt. And is so scary it's hard to remember the extent of the fear later. But I did not encourage more of it.

You sound so proud of your punches thrown. If you could not call mommy, why not call cops? I can only assume you either enjoyed the adrenline rush of the fight or really don't want cops to notice you. Why do I assume this? By your inability to have a debating conversation without vulgarity and attack-language. You sound quite defensive.
You know what, I don't know what it's like...because somehow I've managed to ride the Metro for over 20 years, drunk as a skunk many times, late at night and all, and for some strange reason, no one has ever tried to sucker punch me. Same thing when I was living in New York and riding the subway late at night. Maybe it's because I'm smart enough to keep my head down and mind my own business when I see a large group of people looking for trouble. You know, so they don't decide I'm a good person to sucker punch. Then again, I'm not a fucking idiot.
Try being a small-built female of elder age trying to keep your head down and quietly move on. You are lucky you appear to be not a good person to sucker punch. Some of us appear easy prey whether we like it or not. Gonna be the hero like above and help us when the *blank* hits the fan? I sure hope so. Is are you so lucky because you won't help anyone in need? Inquiring posters want to know! (Cause if you would help, can I sit next to you on the train?)
I don't think noname is a small-built female of elder age, and I don't think he was trying to keep his head down and quietly move on. Which is sort of my point.
I find it interesting people assume that anyone held up, attacked or otherwise assaulted are asking for it in some way. I, too, have had a gun in my face in a robbery. I did not ask for it. I am not an effin' idiot either EdTheRed. I mind my own business too, EdTheRed. It did not stop someone from deciding, for whatever reason, to rob me at gunpoint. Thus the question what, exactly, makes for an effin' idiot and who, exactly, deserves to be sucker-punched or faced with a loaded weapon? Is it really something deserved at any time? Ya know.. assumptions can kill ya too. (Or is that consumption? ;)
My point isn't that you can't get jumped when you're being cautions. My point is that, based on noname's comments and the other eyewitness accounts, I highly doubt he was exercising much in the way of caution in the moments leading up to this incident.
Yeah, seriously, it's a big police station, and it's a 5 minute sprint or 10 minute leisurely walk from door to door. I see cruisers around downtown Bethesda all the time.

Question: it sounds like no non-metro employees on the platform called 911? Everyone has cell coverage in that station now, I think. Many phones should be able to surf to another band (to Verizion) for emergency calls if they can't find their own carrier under ground. Even if I were going to think a fight was casual ("ah, kids") I think I would have woken up and called as soon as I saw someone convulsing.
I do not think my cell can surf to another carrier, even Verizon. (Of course I am lucky; I've not needed to try 911 on the train so far.)

This is so sad. It is frightening. And it po's me off bigtime with the lack of police/professional help for so long! I am a little,aging person. I have no medical training except for basic first aid. I have no training in fighting. I'd be a sheep in a wolf's den just being there (although I attest by God I would try to help like the folks above did, risks notwithstanding!).

However, Jason. I can also attest from personal experience that 9 out of 10 people will stand like dumb cows and stare. Few want to help these days. Even fewer actually do something about it. A sad commentary on our society.
Even if no one had a working phone, there are call boxes marked with blue lights at both ends of the platform (and every 800' along the tracks) just inside the tunnel that give you a direct line to OCC when you dial 0. I used one a few years ago when someone collapsed on the platform and MTP/paramedics were there in about 10 minutes. Had that person fallen on the tracks, the same boxes also have a button opposite the phone that kills the third rail.
It's in the middle of the fight in that second picture, but there's an intercom button that connects to the station manager on that far pylon as well.
Hi, kind of unrelated comment for this article but just wanted to find something out. What the HELL does a "sick customer" entail and why does it shut down the entire god damn system? Are there this many life-threatening occurences in metro???
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insidethebeltway · 766 weeks ago

I don't know -- I just think it is RIDICULOUS that trains should have to share a track between Cleveland Park and Dupont because of a "sick customer" during Rush Hour. My commute is usually 10 minutes -- today it took 30.

Way. to. be metro.
Too bad there aren't cameras on the platforms so police could know what happened without imprisoning everyone in Bethesda.
No offense to anyone, but I find it surprising and hard to believe that not only two bystanders, but also a participant in the fight all just happened to find or know about a transit blog about DC Metro. Could it be that they all happen to be transit information junkies? It just seems unlikely. I would be curious as to how they came to discover this blog.
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typed in bethesda metro fight in google then made it to search just in the last week. We were trying to figure out if any of them got arrested for attacking us like 10 on 3 and wanted to make sure our names stayed out of the news. Does that make sense
noname: I have more pictures (although blurry ) what happened if you want them. Only like 3 but hey I figured you might want them.
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Ever and Anon · 766 weeks ago

Could it be the "hero" poster is a regular reader and that's all there is to it? I see no reason not to believe it. Many times I've posted about personal experiences on this blog, albeit nothing so frightening as this. (My best was the "flames out my window" train day.)

I have no ideas about the thug poster though.
I'm not a hero. I am a regular reader because I commute to work EVERY day on metro and I hate so many things about it. Of course I found 2 blogs that hate on it as much as I do.

Hope that clears it up.
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NotAFlyOnTheWall · 766 weeks ago

Annie, sure...I'll answer that one too. I wanted to see if Metro even cared to report the news to anyone. Or perhaps if police cared to report it. Since no charges were filed, I wasn't holding my breath. Being that someone could have died this night, I pretty much wagered it would be online. I'm familiar with Google's ability to sort searches by date and date range so I came upon these postings for the event.

I did take quite a long video of the police talking to us and others as I wanted to be sure they were accountable for their actions or lack thereof. I also have on video the police officer explaining to us about criss-cross assault and how we'd all have to go to jail or we'd all have to basically drop the charges and go home. Strangely, I can find nothing on this "criss-cross assault" term. Anyone with a legal background that can verify this kind of a situation? I would also like to know why on earth they can't pull the security footage for the platform to see what unfolded. They should have done it on the spot to put to rest false claims.
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driving is safer · 766 weeks ago

I believe "criss-cross assault" is code for "we don't have the resources, competency and/or inclination to chase this down so we'll tell you a bullshit story in the hopes that you aren't savvy enough to figure this out and sue us for gross dereliction of duty."

Remember, an MTP is still a Metro employee...
Facebook. I think any time anything bad happens on the metro someone I know posts about it. From there it just seems to go everywhere.
This blog gets cited in various other MoCo blogs, plus simple google searches yield results. No offense Annie, but no one has to know about this blog to find this info and end up on this page. Hell, I found out about it from someone who emailed me the story from a blurb he found on the Silver Spring Singular Blog - neither me or my buddy had ever heard of this blog.
Does anyone know what the procedure is for non Metro Police responding to something like this? Is it a jurisdictional pissing match between Metro PD and other PD's in the area? Arlington, Alexandria, and Falls Church all have an understanding between their first response units that goes something like this: take care of the situation first and then worry about jurisdiction. There is no reason is should have taken that long for police to arrive.
I grew up at the Jersey Shore. I realize you are referencing the show, but why? Ronnie sucker-punched one kid and beat up another. Snookie was sucker-punched in a bar. Did I miss the brawl episode?
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Maybe it wasn't taped because of the strike? :-D
How the hell did the cops not show up in a flash? Something is really odd about that. You often have bike cops who seem to simply make it part of their route to swing through the above ground part of that metro station.
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confucious · 763 weeks ago

Its a little difficult for cops to show up quickly if no one lets them know whats going on
I just heard about this even though I'm in the Bethesda metro quite a bit. Is this why there was a pair of high heel sandals on the tracks at Bethesda for almost a week? Was wondering who would throw their expensive sandals on the metro tracks.

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