
From C.H. Schmitt:
Metro is continuing to lay plans for its next generation of railcars – the 7000 series – and an early review shows planners seem to be getting some key things right.Other items:
Metro has been holding focus groups, and it recently briefed the WMATA Riders’ Advisory Council on plans for the new cars. According to Metro officials, the transit agency plans to bring 64 of the new cars into service by the end of 2013, with an initial option for another 64, followed by an option for 300 more to replace the first cars in the fleet, the 1000 series. After that, there could be even more, to expand the fleet.
Here’s a rundown on what they said about features important to riders:
Seats: First off, they’ll be transverse, like now, rather than bench-style, along the sides. But the best news: Not cloth! (Some will recall recent news reports on the disgusting crud that inhabits cloth seats.) The final design isn’t set yet, officials said. The goal is a polyurethane material that resembles leather, and which would have a more “foamy” feel while also not getting as warm. If that doesn’t prove to be possible, the fallback is vinyl, similar to today.
Flooring: Carpeting is gone. Replacing it will be a kind of industrial grade plastic/vinyl called “resilient” flooring, which officials say is easier to maintain and a lot cleaner.
Noise: Even without carpet to buffer sound, there will be no greater noise inside the car when trains hit higher speeds.
No audio ads: This is great news for many folks who feared being a captive audience. The new cars will have video screens, and thus perhaps video advertisements. But they will have no audio capability, so talking ads aren’t going to happen.
Color scheme: So far, there are two concepts. “Business Elegance” is bluish, which Metro officials say creates an illusion of being a bigger space. This scheme has a dark, blue-speckled floor with white walls, and otherwise is blue. “Subtle Signature” is more a mix of gray and blue tones. It has a dark, red-speckled floor with white walls, and otherwise is grayish-blue. There will be no brown or yellow.
Announcements: Will be recorded.
Air conditioning: Metro’s acting chief engineer promises it will be better. The big issue now is loss of Freon coolant through leakage in lines, he said. The new cars will have sealed lines and be roof-mounted, and should be more reliable.
Other: Lots of handholds. More stanchions to grab onto along the rows of seats. No defined arm-rests are planned. There is to be a V-shaped divide between two adjoining seatbacks to delineate the space for those who want space.
Needs changing: One design Metro showed off has half-height screens at the doors. But the screens are transparent. A Metro official said that’s because people like to look down through the length of the car, but that seems like a non-issue to me. More importantly, too much stuff gets squished up against the current screens, inches from a seated rider’s face. One can only imagine the visual if the screen is transparent. If you know what I mean.
(C.H. Schmitt is a member of the Riders’ Advisory Council.)
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John · 720 weeks ago
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Guest · 720 weeks ago
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F'n JD · 720 weeks ago
@FixWMATA · 720 weeks ago
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Shortrider · 720 weeks ago
dcn8v · 720 weeks ago
Metro Ryder · 720 weeks ago
Liz P · 720 weeks ago
varun · 720 weeks ago
MadAsHeck · 720 weeks ago
Throw a couple transverse at the ends of the car for people like Metro Ryder above who has an especially long commute, but why not open the middle sections of the car to bench seating.
What is the explanation???
Metro Ryder · 720 weeks ago
JWC · 720 weeks ago
MadAsHeck · 720 weeks ago
anon · 688 weeks ago
jkuchen · 720 weeks ago
Personally (as someone who uses Metro and the Fairfax Connector regularly), the only thing I have against bench seating is the crushing effect of having people on both sides of you while seated, especially when those people take up more room than they should. I'm not talking about large people here--I'm talking about those who spread their legs out and such. If you've ever been in the back of the bus with five people on the rear bench (or even the three-seat benches in the front or middle), you know what I'm talking about when it comes to being in those middle seats.
John · 720 weeks ago
Sam · 720 weeks ago
John · 720 weeks ago
Meanwhile, back on planet earth....
Sam · 720 weeks ago
John · 720 weeks ago
Do you know people can get sick on the transverse seating going backwards as well?
Do you know how many offloaded trains due to crowding bench style seating would save?
Bench style seating isn't that bad. Man up.
Sam B · 720 weeks ago
And yes, people can get sick going backwards, but they have the option to go forward-facing on transverse seating.
And don't tell me to "man up", asshole. I didn't say that *I* have a problem with them. Learn how to read.
John · 720 weeks ago
Kevin · 720 weeks ago
Sam · 720 weeks ago
My personal recommendation would be to mix the two. Have transverse seating between the ends of the car and the first door with bench seating between the doors.
John · 720 weeks ago
MadAsHeck · 720 weeks ago
As for the people who who spread their legs, we can't design a system around people being dicks. If there is an open seat between people who have legs spread, I'm gonna say "excuse me" and sit down.
jkuchen · 720 weeks ago
Also, being shorter than the average person, I would hope that in a bench seating environemnt, there would more center poles or other accommodations for having more than one column of people between the benches.
wobblyrider · 720 weeks ago
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hrh king friday 13 · 720 weeks ago
LoxyBrown · 720 weeks ago
Soylent Green Line · 720 weeks ago
Soylent Green Line · 720 weeks ago
Bets, anyone?
Mike · 720 weeks ago
Soylent Green Line · 720 weeks ago
Allie · 720 weeks ago
Also, I'm all in favor of hard plastic seating that can be sprayed down at the end of the day with disinfectant and a pressure hose. I ride from the end of a line, so I have a long commute, but I'd take a hard seat if they could clean it better.
guest · 720 weeks ago
Sam · 720 weeks ago
She · 720 weeks ago
I agree that the way trains brake with manual control will cause many of us to run into one another, but it will maximize space and with the way the trains run, I think this is paramount.
Sam · 720 weeks ago
Second, an obese person would take up just as much room on a bench seat as they would on a transverse seat. If an obese person takes up twice as much space as an average person, the same space will be lost. If they sit on a seat that fits two, it will only fit one. If they sit on a bench that fits 12, it will only fit 11.
FYI · 720 weeks ago
Sam B · 720 weeks ago
She · 720 weeks ago
I am for bench seating.
John · 720 weeks ago
UncleDarwin 105p · 720 weeks ago
unsuckdcmetro 92p · 720 weeks ago
One difference is they have apparently dumped the cloth seat idea.
Mike · 720 weeks ago
unsuckdcmetro 92p · 720 weeks ago
UncleDarwin 105p · 720 weeks ago
I realize that Metro doesn't like to put poles near the doors because people tend to crowd around them and not move to the center of the cars, but those vast empty spaces near the doors are going to fill up at rush hour, no matter what. You've got to give people something to hang on to.
The rails that run along the ceilings should at least have those straps that hang down -- and not those metal handles that flip up, which are useless. This is a stupid design.
@sarahcottontail · 720 weeks ago
dddddda · 720 weeks ago
Look, I get moving people away from the doors, but eliminating any possibility of standing in that vast amount of valuable floor space for anyone under 5'10 (I'm 5'5 with slight shoulder issues - only one shoulder is an issue, so if I can get into a position where I can use the other arm it would work if I could reach - and the overhead bars are a no-go for me), and, it looks like with these new cars, even eliminating the OVERHEAD bars in the door area is just plain dumb. Go with bench seating, drop the screens, and give people something to hold on to. Add vertical poles, lower the height of the overhead bars a couple of inches, and add more of the fixed metal grabs.
null · 720 weeks ago
Ah Metro! Your stupidity never ceases to amaze.
n2deep · 720 weeks ago
so the bottom line is that if and when a 7000 breaks down on the mainline and needs to be recovered by another train that train will have to a 7000 series train. so they cannot possibly run 7000's on any other line that has all the other series cars. not possible.
i suspect the train doors on the 7000's will be an issue as well. the engineers designing the cars say that this type of train has NEVER, and let me repeat that ,NEVER, had a door problem. let that soak in for a minute.
NotAllOfWMATASucks · 720 weeks ago
guest · 720 weeks ago
yeah, i can see some problems with that..
unsuckdcmetro 92p · 720 weeks ago
UNusability · 720 weeks ago
Coloring areas of the floor is a great idea!
A "douche zone" area of the floor in front of the doors would be helpful.
BUT
How does a color patch in front of the maps help?
Seriously, is this designer considering usability?
People WILL stand in front of maps to read them, they don't need a patch.
People do generally look at the ground when stepping over a gap.
A patch behind the door is an obvious sign to "clear this area". THAT is where it's needed, to tell people to GTFO of this area.
Good idea executed WMATA style.
Maybe it's nit-picking, but as a designer I'm frustrated. You'd think that whoever designed this... would have designed it.
@Hell_on_wheelz · 720 weeks ago
I won't comment on the useability of parking me in front of the map so no one can see it.
redlined · 720 weeks ago
I'm fairly certain the people at metro making decisions like this don't actually ride metro or even bother to ask for input from those who do.
jkuchen · 720 weeks ago
jkuchen · 720 weeks ago
anon · 688 weeks ago
TeganAnn · 688 weeks ago
Better yet, just copy the new train out at Dullas, few seats tons of room nice center poles. Its what WMATA should be.