Tuesday, September 7, 2010

Should Metro Encourage this Rider Behavior Instead?


From DF:

During rush hour, when so many trains are so jam packed, I intentionally let some pass until I find one empty enough to suit me. Sometimes, it's just so I can stand without being scrunched against four other people, and other times, it's so I can sit. I have a long ride, from Dupont all the way out to Shady Grove, so I'd kind of prefer not to stand all the way.

For some reason, the other night, the trains were running very slowly. Maybe because of the hostage situation in Silver Spring, but the trains seemed to be 9-12 minutes apart at rush hour, according to the sign.

So, I walked up and down the platform a couple of times, and when I returned to the front end, where I usually wait, I decided to sit and read a book. There's no bench there, so I sat on the floor.

I had been sitting for just a few minutes when a bright light was shone on me from the mezzanine level. A voice asked me if I was getting on the train.

I looked around - no train in sight. I said, "sure, when it gets here."

The light remained.

Then, I was told I needed to get on the train, that I had been seen waiting for 20 minutes.

I said I planned to wait for a train that wasn't jam packed. I was told again that I had better get on the next one.

Is waiting for a train suddenly a crime?

"Or else what?" I asked. I was getting a teeny bit irritated.

Or else I'd be told to leave the station, was the reply.

Now, the officer - and it was an officer - was a level above me, so I couldn't see her badge for a name or number, and I didn't want to ask. (I know, shame on me.) I am not even certain which branch the officer was from, but probably Metro itself.

So what did I do?

I put my earphones back on, got up, and walked to the back end of the platform, where I proceeded to let three more trains go by before finally getting on.

There you have it. Apparently, you are not permitted to wait for a train for too long.

Unbelievable.

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Corresponding Toads · 759 weeks ago

You looked awfully suspicious, sitting there on the floor, reading a book like that. If I was that officer, you would have been stun-gunned instantly.

Metro is about MOVING, people! And if you're not MOVING, you are PROBABLY A TERRORIST!!

Thank you mystery metro police officer for keeping the potential terrorists on the trains and off the platforms.
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MetroRider · 759 weeks ago

Metro is about moving people??? When did that happen?
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P.J. Orvetti · 759 weeks ago

I can understand that they might have such a rule to deal with vagrancy. But the whole point of having actual human cops is to deal with the specifics of each situation. Clearly this individual was not harming anyone.
I can understand Metro's desire to keep out the vagrants, but seriously. I think DF take his waiting for trains to the extreme, but I've often had much more pleasant commutes by letting a few trains pass by. Give it a try sometime, you just might like it as long as you're not harassed by the man.
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I think it was worse this time out because trains were so backed up owing to the Discovery Channel building situation. So they weren't coming every few minutes, which meant more time for people to gather on the platform, which meant trains even more packed than usual.
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anonymous · 759 weeks ago

They can hassle riders reading a book, but completely fail to enforce the eating on Metro ban?

Screw Metro Police, worthless loafers.
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Davin Peterson · 759 weeks ago

I've never heard of this before. In the afternoon's going home, I've sometimes let 3 trains pass before I get on, but not very afternoon. Maybe you're not allowed to sit on the floor. Rarely is their one train right behind the other - usually a couple minutes apart
At least I now know the light shining is SOP. I was once sitting on the wall (who knew that was against the Metro rules) and two cops came up and told me to get down while shining the light in my face.
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SOP? Really? I thought it was to make everyone feel like a common criminal. ;-)
It's probably not the terrorist threat that they are worried about - it's more likely the suicide threat. One of the signs of someone who is planning on jumping in front of a train is that they let a few trains pass by before finally jumping. Of course if the employee thought this there are much better ways to handle it than this...
People who wait for that many trains to pass by are either suicidal or just a Blogger that want some discussion group pitty. metro has to enforce the loitering rule so fights won't break out for folks just hanging around
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anonnononononny · 759 weeks ago

What loitering rule might that be?
actually its a loitering law. Read your law books. dc, va and md all have loitering laws in their public ordiance.
DC does not have a loitering law
We have a winner. DC does not have a general loitering law. Grahm has tried to pass several, to no avail. There are apparently some concerns about constitutionality.

And wouldn't a jumper be near the back of the train? Isn't the train almost stopped at the place LW was sitting? Common sense is lacking here, as always with Metro.
As I am not a lawyer, I do not have law books. Loitering laws - should they exist - need to be posted. Businesses do this all the time. But wouldn't it look a little weird to see a "No Loitering" sign in a train station? I mean, you're practically forced to loiter as it is.
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metroblows · 759 weeks ago

I am claustrophobic, and when metro runs rush hour trains to Shady Grove only once every fourteen minutes the trains that aren't sardined are few. So you, and metro, can shove the fake Loitering law up your you-know-whats.
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Corresponding Toads · 759 weeks ago

hey guys do you think they'd let me have my wedding on the Metro? I just know it would be so romantic... they can even shine their flashlights on us the whole time, I don't care
What we have here is a basic lack of common sense--rife throughout Metro.
I have some understanding for the officer. None for the WAY she did her job, but yes some for her motivation. She/they were probably antsy about a gun situation, terrorist even, and possibly a suicide. Just antsy in general. Plus, she probably had an ill-expressed directive from superiors to discourage that kind of behavior. You were not doing anything wrong, and you did the right thing by following your inclination and going to the other end (though I might have swallowed my pride and been a bit more polite to the officer). A good officer will be able to assess the situation, not from a million feet away but from ... MOVING phsyically to the situation and talking, engaging. That was a poor job by the officer, though I understand her motivation.
Seems to be a better way of handling this would have actually to walk down to the tracks, ask the person why they're staying on the platform for so long and then made an informed decision about the "threat" level. Guilty until proven innocent is not the right attitude.
I mean, it would have been better to come down and talk to you, but really, I can understand wanting to get people on the trains. If there is literally no room on the trains coming through, fine, but it can get really packed in a station if everyone decides to be picky.
Just get on the damn train, princess. A seat will open up soon enough.
4 replies · active 759 weeks ago
If I am paying for it, you can damn well bet I get choose when to use it.
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stan the man · 759 weeks ago

By that logic you are allowed to live in Metro stations.
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Corresponding Toads · 759 weeks ago

that's a great idea! thanks
That's not entirely true. When you pay, you are paying for train fare. You are not restricted by train, car, or line.

You are not, by contrast, paying for lodging. So it's not an apt comparison.
Lazy pigs won't even waddle down the (broken) escalator to say it to your face?

The Metro "customer" should be commended for waiting instead of doing the obvious riding a train backwards into the city and back out again, doubling usage of the system and depriving an actual vagrant of a seat.
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Vagrant??? Usually it's the Metro employees who take up the "extra" seats. I've been tempted to complain, but figure if I got a reply at all it would be..honest, lady, no one else wanted to use that seat..lol.
Her approach was dead wrong, but people who attempt suicides will come into a station and sit for long periods of time, trying to work up the nerve to jump.

She should have come down and spoken to you, trying to gauge whether or not you were suicidal.
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Exactly. Behavior like that by a police officer is not going to help someone who is suicidal. If suicide was the concern, the officer should have gone down to speak to him and assess the situation.

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