Tuesday, June 14, 2011

Rider says Woman Never Made Threat to Train, was Apparent within 10 Minutes there was no Bomb


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From Duane:
I was on the train car with the woman who was screaming into her cell phone. She said she was going to blow up someone in their office building because they killed her family, she went on and on screaming at the top of lungs--a bunch of nonsense.

She didn't say "praise Allah" or throw anything. I was 15 feet or so away, and I didn't see her praying. I just noticed her when she started screaming. She looked Indian and was dressed as such.

She was pissed at someone about a bombing in India or something. She said "you killed my father you killed my mother, I'm coming to your office to kill you and blow it up."

Then she said she was at Rockville and was going to visit the Rockville station tomb. She never said she was going to blow up the train, nor did she threaten anyone on the train.

When we pulled up to the Rockville platform, she got off and all hell broke loose.

She walked off the train, and I didn't see her say anything, but when the doors closed and the train moved, some idiot said there was a bomb on the train and that someone should pull the emergency door lever.

He was screaming like a maniac, and I asked him if he saw a bomb. He just kept screaming that there was a bomb and to stop the train.

I started to pull the lever by the doors, and others said "don't pull it, don't pull it," so I hesitated, and someone else pulled it in the panic.

When the train stopped, everyone rushed to the doors at the end of the car to go to the next car. Everyone wanted to go toward the front of the train.

I have never seen a bunch of adults act so selfishly and foolishly in my whole life. They should all be ashamed of their actions.

They were pushing women, and one lady fell down, so I stopped to help her, and someone pushed me, so I pushed back and screamed "everybody calm down."

When we got to the next car everyone there was shocked because another fool went running through the car yelling "BOMB."

I tried to stay calm and tell the people to just go to the front of the train, but they weren't listening, and the stampede started again.

People left their belongings in the seats and started jumping over the seats and people to get out.

By the time I got to the third car, I figured if there was a bomb, it would have gone off, so I stopped and sat down.

People opened the side door and were jumping out onto the tracks and walking toward Twinbrook.

The operator came through at that time and asked where the bomb was. We told her, and she looked and saw there was nothing.

Now the crazy part is we sat on the train for an hour with no message from Metro.

No one told those people to exit the train and get onto the tracks, they told us nothing until they said to walk to the back of the train and get off because the last door was still at the platform.

When I left the train, I only saw a few Metro police. When I exited the station, the bomb dogs had just arrived--an hour later.

They then told us there would be shuttles to Twinbrook. There were no shuttles.

I caught a Ride On.

I received an alert email saying Metro was closed from Shady Grove to Grosvenor.

I asked the station attendant at Rockville, and she said Twinbrook was open.

BS.

They don't know anything.

The Ride On driver called Twinbrook, and they told him it was closed.

To make a long story short, it wasn't Metro's fault that someone yelled bomb and stopped the train, but they did nothing and told us nothing.

They don't seem to have any emergency plans in place at all.

Within 10 minutes, they knew there was not a bomb on the train, but it took me almost 3 hours to get to Metro Center from Shady Grove today.

If there was ever a real bomb on Metro everyone would be screwed because they don't seem equipped to handle any emergency.

They are a joke.
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Well, thanks for at least trying to do the right thing.

I'd like to think that in a similar situation I'd have done the same thing, with no doubt similar results...
This is the kins of thing that happens when you have so many anti-bomb, anti terror layers. Common sense goes out the window, and everyone wants to play. Our security paradigms are faulted on Metro and elsewhere.
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That's is a terrible way for people to panic and not working together when the emergency does happen. It is shame to hear that the metro dont have emergency plans. I guess maybe that's why people were worried that they will get hurt and not getting no help from the Metro staff. right?
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JacksonsGirl · 719 weeks ago

Wow. Just wow. They always talk about the hero's when bad things happen. Which is fantastic. But every once in awhile I'd like to hear about the people who did nothing or even got in the way of the people trying to do something. That way they could see how stupid and perhaps even hurtful their actions can be.

Kudos to you Metro rider who kept a calm head.

Thumbs down for metro. They worry me more and more every day.
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Corresponding Toads · 719 weeks ago

Duane, you are the man.

I'll assume the dude who was initially yelling "BOMB!" was using that crazy lady as an excuse to not go into work. Unless he is seriously paranoid; the kind of guy who thinks about terrorist threats every day.

It's good to know that Metro is willing to let us walk on the train tracks, in case of an emergency. ;)
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Wouldratherdrive · 719 weeks ago

I am sure the real terrorists already know what a joke Metro security is and how their emergency "plan" is to pull it our of their --- when things happen. Who knows.. maybe this was a "test" by some wackjob to see how people and metro would react if it were an actual emergency. Shame on you selfish idiots pushing and shoving - like that ever actually helps make things faster. Good job common sense rider for using your brain and pushing back when you needed to.
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It's sad what we've become. When I drove across the Canadian border back into the US in March, the insane amount of imaging equipment accessed every database in the world before I got to the CBP agent. When I pulled up, she had my entire federal profile up on the screen, including fingerprints, and my rental car agreement. I wonder if she had my bank account pulled up as well, just in case she needed to delete the funds. Metro opens bags, this, and other paranoia have become so rampant in this country in the past ten years, that I am saddened when I see it. I feel like the terrorists DID win, forcing us into this fear and panic.

Good for you, sir, for being rational, and attempting to quell the masses. I wonder what would have happened if this happened in the Potomac tunnel.

The rest? Stations closed, bus bridges? Same old dysfunction. I sure hope Mr. Sarles makes a statement after this incident, and outlines a plan to prevent something like this again. What happened yesterday just shows that Metro can isolate a part of the system. The question is: What happens if you are unlucky enough to be in that isolated section?
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To quote MST3K - "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. Everybody PANIC!"
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Guesterday · 719 weeks ago

I wonder if this is what the new single tracking will be like. Seriously.
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Wouldratherdrive · 719 weeks ago

I want to slap Mr. Chicken Little for panicking the train. What a dumbass.
The sad thing is, I started thinking about how each and every person I know would have acted... there is only One or Two that would have acted in the way Duane depicted. I would like to think that I would have been the calm guy, but you never know.

The point of what I am writing is that not everyone was "15 feet or so away" and most certainly not everyone could see what was going on.

While that is no reason to trample old people, you have to consider where the other people's minds were... All they heard was someone yelling bomb... lots of people reacted, and one (maybe two) people said there was no bomb. Majority rules here, the public says 'bomb' over 'no-bomb' hence stupidity and stampede.

With regards to metro: They clearly don't have an emergency action plan... As riders, we need to start finding ways to tell metro their actions are unacceptable. (i have no idea how to do this)
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those bomb-yelling jackasses need to be arrested and charged with the same type of offense as the woman
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A couple years ago, there was a suspicious bag (turned out to be dirty laundry) on an Amtrak. They stopped the train at Rockville and evacuated everyone, establishing a perimeter of at least one block. It took about 3 hours to clear the scene and get the trains running again.

In yesterday's incident, the station was not closed and evacuated for 50 minutes. Be assured that by 8:10, there was no panic, just passengers still streaming into the station by the hundreds. I am happy there was no bomb, and very dismayed that there was no leadership either. Why didn't the train operator take control and evacute the passengers still on the train off the back of the train? Why didn't the station manager evacuate the station until after the dogs arrived?
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Jimmy "Are You?" Ray · 719 weeks ago

Well, as long as she did say "praise Allah." As we all know, anyone who uses that expression is, of course, a terrorist/armed with explosives.
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But ... but ... but ... the bag checks were SO effective at keeping invisibul bombs off the trains!!
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hrh king friday 13 · 719 weeks ago

Metro services in Maryland need to be a priority. We must do everything possible to keep those idiot Mayrland drivers off the roads and in trains.
If some batshit lady is yelling about blowing stuff up, its best to get the hell out of there.

Stop playing gotcha with metro. Yeah they suck, but they erred on the side of safety.
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And by the way, quit making fun of the bag checks not helping this situation, you are only going to insight more 'random' checks at more locations.
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SoylentGreenLine · 719 weeks ago

Everyone calm down. MTP were engaged elsewhere performing random bag checks to keep you all safe.
I just watched an online vid on the Metro site about how to evacuate a train. http://www.wmata.com/getting_around/safety_securi...

Seriously? Half of one door for a whole car? WOW!
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The perfect storm of a crazy rider, unthoughtful, dumb riders and Metro exacerbating it all by not being prepped.
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Duane--in trying to reconcile your account with the accounts in the media, I have just one question: did you see her do anything when she walked off the train? The account of the backpack (in the media accounts) seems to be at least second-hand (if that close), so it would be nice to have an eyewitness refute or verify it.
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This reminds me of George Costanza shoving children and old people out of the way when there's a fire.
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Sadie W. · 719 weeks ago

I REALLY think Metro should take this as an 'unexpected dry run' of a possible future emergency and take steps to address the issues that came about as a result of this incident.

There are several things about this story that really bother me, two of which I feel are directly in Metro's control:

1. The complete lack of an emergency plan and communication to passengers by metro. I always thought if there was an actual emergency in the system I would receive instructions as to what to do from metro. I would like to hear from Metro what instructions and communication I can expect from them in the case of an emergency.

2. The plan seemed to be to move riders from the car with the reported bomb threat to cars further up the train. Sadly, from what we've seen in Madrid, the risk of injury and death applies to almost everyone on the train, not just those in the car with the bomb. This is likely a direct result from #1, but I would like to know, from Metro, what I should do, as a rider, should an actual threat arrive.

3. The over reaction of the rider who initally reported the "bomb" served to put everyone on the train in immediate danger due to the panic and in the long run, false alarms can serve to desensitize the public and thus put everyone at more risk should an actual threat arise.

The immediate threat is that, as the OP reported, someone was nearly trampled and injured due to the panic he caused. It could have been much worse.

I live in a building with very sensitive smoke alarms that go off on a weekly basis in the summer. The result is that whenever I hear them go off, I don't even leave my apartment. I have become so desensitized to them that should there be an actual emergency I wouldn't know and would be put in harm's way.

I would really like to hear from Metro regarding points 1 & 2. Should I wait patiently for instructions? Is it every man for himself? Who is in charge? Should I listen to the train operator, someone at the station or any metro employee for instruction?
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What a great country.
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Justin K. · 719 weeks ago

I arrived at Rockville from Frederick on MARC about 15 minutes after they closed the red line. The mass confusion (and masses) was astounding! In a half hour of wandering and waiting for a bus, I saw one metro worker. The guys handing out free papers proved most helpful. Ridiculous.
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Metro tweeted this when asked about their response:

@metroopensdoors

@edwardaggie98 passengers felt threatened, notified operator & called police. we responded appropriately. ^DS
http://twitter.com/metroopensdoors/status/8065306...
3 replies · active 719 weeks ago
Sorry Duane - missed your post of 1hour ago. ANyone get a name/description of the man who shouted?
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I was on the neighboring car from where the incident started and I couldn't believe that minutes after the stampede died down that we were all just sitting there and the train operator comes through and asks where is the bomb and went toward the car to look for it. Are you kidding???

Metro definitely lied (or was deluded) in the press and made it seem like they had a plan that they carried out successfully: "Stessel said, 'what you saw today was a full scale response.'" So not true at all. I left the whole thing wondering why no one from Metro addressed any of us the entire time. We should have heard immediate instructions over the PA as to what to do. Instead, it was everyone for themselves. And the shuttle bus coordination was a joke. I gave up and left.

I agree with the poster that I think one idiot overreacted and group behavior took over after that. It was pretty scary for those of us in other cars wondering why people were running at us and screaming - I really thought someone had a gun and was going to kill people.

Metro will not learn from this though.
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Why are real news outlets not reporting this version of the story? Oh that's right, unsuck is not real news. Nerds that blog can get away with "reporting" information and not validating the source or content.
6 replies · active 719 weeks ago
I was there. No one threw anything. This is largely a figment of the imagination of several easily scared passengers. The woman was shouting, but not in a threatening way towards riders.

Anyone else who says otherwise is just trying to get on TV.
Does anyone believe how the Post would just reprint Metro's line verbatim. What a bunch of clowns.
yes, thank you for doing the right thing. take care.
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Corresponding Toads · 719 weeks ago

Don't worry guys, fare hikes are on the horizon and they're going to fix the escalators and train Metro operators how to properly react to a bomb threat.

LOLLLL
That stupid clown who shouted bomb reminds me of this guy in the office that I used to work. After 911, he brought a sleeping bag and a bunch of canned soup (no can opener mind you) to work. And it wasn’t because he was afraid of a terrorist attack. To him, it was just exciting to be bringing a sleeping bag and soup to work so he could gossip about it. It was like he was 11 years old camping out in the back yard with a flashlight and a playboy magazine. What jackasses, both of them!

The red line coward should be put in jail....for his bravery....in Damascus.
I bet if the train exploded the guy who went through yelling bomb and getting people away from the train would be hailed as a hero.
West Falls Church has a depot where they park the trains. I bet a large amount of people would be willing to go to that depot and practice evacuation drills and emergency plans. As a metro rider myself I would gladly participate in something like this. I think the problem is that they don't even have emergency plans to practice?!
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Geta Life · 718 weeks ago

if any of you pea-brains think that any Police, Fire, EMT, FEMA, Boy Scout, can possibly be prepared and have a written plan for every possible situation that they might face throughout the day, You are a moron. Emergency responders have to re-act to the situations that they face throughout their 8 or 10 or 24 hour shift They do so with more training and experience than any .gov employee that posts on unsuck during their business day on tax-payers money! Get a life people! Blaming metro for responding to a terroristic threat? Get a Clue.
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