Monday, April 4, 2011

Transit Cop Patrols Shifted to DC, Away from MD, VA


Unsuck DC Metro has learned that the Metro Transit Police Department has been detailing patrols, normally assigned to Virginia and Maryland, to DC in order to increase presence in pervasive trouble spots like Gallery Place and L'Enfant Plaza.

Riders we talked to had mixed feelings.

"I understand there's more crime in DC, but there have been plenty of crimes in Maryland, including a full-on brawl in Bethesda and a recent assault," said one rider. "I don't know if it's fair that the tax money I pay to Maryland goes to solving DC problems."

A rider in Virginia echoed those sentiments and wondered if criminals would just move to where the police are no longer present.

Another rider said that while they lived in Virginia, they changed trains at L'Enfant and generally agreed with the move.

A source close to the MTPD didn't criticize the move, but they wondered how Virginia and Maryland riders would feel about moving cops normally assigned to patrol Maryland and Virginia to DC.

"This is more a simple lack of resource problem," they said. "The jurisdictions need to step up and realize that if you want services you have to pay for it."

Metro would not "discuss publicly the specifics of deployment of our law enforcement resources," but added that it's important to "keep in mind that the riders of our system travel across jurisdictional lines. For example, a customer of City/County A may work in City/County B and need to pass through high crime station X, so that customer is actually benefiting."

Mary Hynes, Arlington County Board member and Virginia principal member on the Metro Board had the following to say:
The safety of riders in the system is paramount - whether it is in Virginia, DC or Maryland. Recent incidents in some of the DC stations have the potential to discourage Virginia riders from using the system to access their jobs or other activities in the city. I think that Metro police are doing the right thing to aggressively interrupt the climate that has contributed to the recent incidents.

I have been assured that MTPD regular patrols in Virginia have not been reduced. It's my understanding that MTPD specialty units are being appropriately deployed to respond to this critical regional problem.
The source close to the police department said a major problem on the force is that a lot of resources are tied up at the top and are being used in ways that don't necessarily help prevent crime.
[The Metro Transit Police] have well over 420 “sworn officers” but that includes four or five Deputy Chiefs. DC police has about the same amount of deputy chiefs, and they have ten times as many officers. MTPD’s deputy chiefs sit around the office getting coffee for one another and talking about how they are doing a great job at preventing terrorism. Taborn added one a year or two ago that he calls the “executive officer.” It’s like Taborn thinks he’s running an aircraft carrier.

They have another 20 to 25 captains and lieutenants. Most of these are not people who are actually managing police patrol operations. Think about the money tied up in bureaucrats for such a small department A deputy chief makes about $120,000 per year.

They also have 50 sergeants. Only about 25 of them are actually involved in police work. A few more do things like run the training programs and manage the K-9 crew and the SWAT team. The others get coffee for the deputy chiefs. And they are really good at it!

But, wait, there’s more! They have about seven retired police officers who came back as civilians to do the same jobs they did as police officers, except now they get a pension AND a salary.
The source wanted to add that riders should give the officers they see on patrol a break, adding that complaints that officers are sometimes seen hanging out together.
I dare someone to find me one workplace in the entire city where employees don’t spend a small portion of the day talking to co-workers for a few minutes- maybe about what’s going on at work, maybe about a little gossip. They are police officers, not robots. The complainers don’t seem to talk as much about the good work the officers do; instead they just complain that they saw a handful of them talking. For how long? Five minutes, even 10? Is that really that big of a deal?
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Would be nice to know what happened Saturday night on the Red Line at Silver Spring. We were held short of the platform while the operator could be heard announcing to the Metro Cops on the station platform "First car, First car" as he finished pulling in. 4 African American young men were being held by Metro Police at the end of the platform...
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How do you know they were American?
Or African for that matter...
This is ALWAYS a resource problem, they make it one!
This is a matter of LEADERSHIP, poor leadership.
When you have police sitting in back rooms, outside "girl watching" or eating donuts you have poor oversight!
Come on!
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Corresponding Toads · 729 weeks ago

Don't worry, everyone. Metro police will never be there when you need them most, regardless of what state you happen to be in.

Also, Metro Center red line platform smelled like straight piss this morning. I'm lovin' it!
DC leeching money from its better run neighbors....shocking.
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When you spread the wealth around, everybody benefits.

Unless you get knifed at Pentagon City.
Ha. I commute from Pentagon City to Gallery Place and my first thought was "well, Gallery Place might be somewhat safer now, but they'll probably just wait until they get to the mall to stab each other, random strangers, whoever."
Why not let the jurisdictions hire and train with Metro to have their own officers at that jurisdiction's platforms/lots etc.... That would provide protection and let DC Police police their own stations etc..

Also retiared metro Transit Officers being rehired is also the case for metro Train Operators and Rail Mechanics. They recieve their full retiarment pay then are re-hired with full pay at the highest rate of pay. Is this called "double-dipping"? Not sure.
Or, why not just run Metro as three separate entities. You board the orange line in Vienna where you proceed to a demilitarized zone beneath the Potomac. The VA orange line will end there and you'll be met by a DC orange line train to take you into the city.
Having the presence is one thing. Having the police actually DO something and not just stand in a cluster in an obscure area on the platform is another.
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Sweet Bobby · 729 weeks ago

The jurisdiction is the system, and its revenue base comprises DC, MD, and VA. It's not like DC is free-riding, DC residents and commuters pay taxes and fares just like our neighbors in VA and MD. The argument posited by the reader from Maryland in the article has a faulty premise. From an allocation of resources standpoint, it does not make sense to concentrate the police in areas that have low criminal activity. If WMATA were more pragmatic in adopting a broken window approach to dealing with things, perhaps we would not be in this situation to begin with. An ongoing allocation of police to trouble areas within the system is a step in the right direction, as long as all stations are patrolled regularly.
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Ever and Anon · 729 weeks ago

Yeah I really benefit at the end of the Orange line from the cops all being in DC. DC stations are not, nor ever have been, the only trouble spot in the system.
Which end of the orange line are you talking about? Because in Vienna, Dunn Loring, WFC, EFC, Ballston, Virginia Square, Clarendon, Courthouse and Rosslyn, there's not all that much need for an intense police presence. So I really don't have too much of an issue with the decision to redeploy. If you're talking about the part of the orange line in PG County, then that's different. But I think that for the most part (most, not all) Virginia can make do with less police presence than DC and Maryland.

Of course, in my perfect world, that lessened police presence is one officer in each station, whereas this is more likely to be one officer ever two or three stations.
MTPD Officers should also double as station managers :-P
Then why should jurisdictions with MUCH less crime have to pay the same as a crime infested one?
Because we're a society. Society implies that sometimes you'll be unhappy with decisions but you suck it up for the betterment of the whole. We're all users of the same system and if that system suffers in any way, we're all impacted.
The jurisdiction with the most crime should pay the most to the transit police. Through investment in things like education, NOVA (counties cities) hasn't let the social fabric of the area fray to the point DC has--that's why there's lower crime.

Now DC wants to tax those making over $200,000 so that cronies can drive around in fully loaded SUVs.
Sounds like too many chiefs, not enough indians.
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That comment is simply racist idiom...idiot.
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hrh king friday 13 · 729 weeks ago

Oh good grief. Why didn't you just respond with "Apparently you believe in forced relocation." The fact is, based on the tipsters email, it sounds like they need to get officers out from behind desks and in stations.
As a Native American, I avoid racial idioms of any sort and find them patently offensive.
I hate to break it to you and your people, but Native American isn't a race. North America has no aboriginal people meaning that your ancestors migrated here too, just like mine. There are three races: Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. We're ALL one of those.

And how is suggesting that there are more chiefs than indians offensive? Is it use of the word "indian" or is it the idiom itself? Is "too many cooks in the kitchen" offensive to the culinary industry?
That's fine, but that's not what occurred here, Chief!
I love the way Metro chooses to spend OUR money.
sounds like a crying cop who got moved out of a cushy assignment in Virginia and moved where he or she might have to do some work. Kudos to the Police management for applying some thought to the deployment process. I say go where the crime is... That is just being responsible. Keep it up Metro!!
There should sufficent number of officers hired to fit the crimes committed and the Metro Board should supply what is needed for the District not remove officer from covering the other stations then post these poor decisions publicly.
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Metroman3 · 729 weeks ago

Another great example of a worn out compact among the jurisdictions.
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Meredith · 729 weeks ago

My home station is Vienna. I have NO problem with this transfer of resources. You put the cops where they're needed most. You can't complain about cops focusing on alleged fare-jumpers instead of crime, and then when they do go focus on crime, continue to complain. Pick one!
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PG County · 729 weeks ago

I thought the most dangerous station (according to Metro's crime stats) was New Carrollton. If that's the case, why aren't they shifting more officers to this location?
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The majority of crime at New Carrollton is non-violent vehicle crime. While I don't have 2010's numbers in front of me, in 2009, 100% of the reported crime at New Carrollton was related to vehicle theft/vandalism/burglary and was non-violent in nature. In the top 10 stations (by crime) in Maryland, only 9% was violent crime and 91% was property crime. In the top 10 stations (by crime) in DC, 55% was violent crime and 45% was property crime.

While I'm sure that has changed in 2010, I am glad that Metro is focusing on the violent crime rather than things that can just be replaced. You can buy a new GPS... you can' t buy a new son/daughter.
Dude. Crime is crime. Stop it all, not just some. I can see your idea of utopian society...imagine a sparkling city where Corresponding Toads can frolic down the pristine streets where he knows he won't get knifed, because that crime has been eliminated due to the allocation of resources. However, he's frolicking because he's been given some antidepressants from a 14 year old on the corner who also stole his wallet. Oh wait, he can just buy a new wallet.
Sure, in a perfect world where you have endless resources, stop it all. I don't know how things exist in your alternate reality, but here on Earth, we are constrained by things like time, money, people, etc. If you have to choose between two things to fix... you fix the worse one.

I don't understand why people are up in arms about this. You are all the same people that speak out against fare increases. If you want more police, someone has to pay for them. If you're not willing to pay for them, then you need to shuffle people around to tackle the most serious issues first.
Tax the rich, obviously.
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Cold Ronnie · 729 weeks ago

It would be pretty tough to find a rich person who has paid a higher overall tax rate in the last ten years, the same CANNOT be said for the middle class.

Poor rich people, imagine how much they could have invested in Chinese labor had they received even more welfare tax breaks!
Bite your tongue, sir. "You are all the same people" - sure, I bet every person thinks the same on both issues!

The goal is not to have a metro system without violent crime but your car is guaranteed to get broken into at New Carrollton. The goal is when you can feel safe leaving your car parked while you ride the system without violent crime, knowing it will be there when you get back.

I have seen many police officers doing a good job, but there are also many who do not. Light a fire under their butts to do so. Stop the pointless bag searches. These police officers are more than capable to get this situation under control. They need an effective leader, not 20 high level supervisors that pat each other on the back.
I don't disagree with that. But it's not all going to be fixed in one day. If your water main breaks and floods your basement the same day that your front door is a little drafty... which one are you going to fix first? Obviously the GOAL is to have them both fixed. But when you only have so much money or time, you address the higher priority first.

In this case, the higher priority is someone getting killed rather than someone's GPS getting stolen from their car.
I gotta agree with this approach. While they shouldn't take ALL The police from MD and VA, it does make sense for them to increase police presence in the areas where violence occurs more often.
I see moving the cops around to the high crime areas as a smart allocation of resources. Why pray tell would the cop(s) complain about this? They should complain if crime was regularly occuring in other jurisdictions, yet they were assigned somewhere else. Maybe I am missing something. As for bunching up and talking - duh - get back to work. Geez.
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curious george · 729 weeks ago

Is it just me or do those guys look like action figures? Did their value go down when they were removed from the original packaging?
Wish all the cops were outfitted like that. Might make some punk think twice about stealing someone's iPod when there's a guy who looks like he could mess your shit up in a second.

Anyway I agree with the move. There's way worse stuff going on in DC than in MD and VA. Yes, New Carrollton has a high property crime rate and as bad as that is, I'd rather have my car broken into than have a bunch of hoodlums beat the shit out of me for no good reason.
As a Virginia resident who usually when riding the metro stays in Virginia, but who sometimes goes into dc and occasionally Maryland I have to say I'm okay with to I agree with this decision.

The little teenage gangsters don't fear the police, if they fear anything it is the courts and jail and in Virginia are courts don't buy into the whole pc game and will actually lock up these little criminals. Not to mention a lot of the riders on the blue and yellow lines who stay in Virginia are military or former military who work at the Pentagon and won't stand for this type of behavior and will jump the little teenage gangsters if they try to attack for steal from them or someone else.
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I have a feeling metro cops are handcuffed by PC rules in place to remove any possible outcome of arrests that could be labeled as profiling. Why else would they stand and watch while the thug rats act a fool? Metro is a just a product of the city, which is in many ways a pit of garbage.
Its no longer against the law in DC to act a fool, curse in public, scream, almost do as you please as long as your not touching anyone. You think the kids act a fool now, wait till they figure this out.
TT: Your call as to whether you want to apply. My understanding is that new hiring is going to be, if it isn't already, put on hold, so that may make your choice easier. In your first post, you mentioned "advertising/recruiting." Believe me, MTPD doesn't have any hiring issues. Recruitment has been done all along the East Coast and gets plenty of applications. But, it's a relatively small department, so there isn't usually a "revolving door" for hiring/departing.

Maybe try some police "forums" (officer.com?) to see what others think. Most find the job desirable. Is everything perfect? Of course not. Where _is_ everything perfect?!

As far as "congregating" goes, many times officers are placed on "details" together during certain parts of the day for "visibility." It seemed to work with you!! In the old days, people complained how they _never_ saw an officer.

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